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Michel Pauw | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Dec 8 2021 2:49 PM

I want to find all instances of Jesus being the subject of praying. 

Performing a Clause search results in a nice list of hits, but it does not include a verse like Heb. 5:7 (see screenshot).

I understand why Heb. 5:7 is not included, since it does not use the verb pray, but the object 'prayers' / 'requests' (δεήσεις) with a verb of offering (προσενέγκας). 

Questions: 

  • How can we modify our Clause Search to include Heb. 5:7? 
    For example, I tried the query   subject:jesus AND (verb:pray OR object:prayer)   but that rendered no results at all (is that because the subject in Heb. 5:7 is a relative pronoun, which then should be tagged as Jesus, right?)
  • In general: the Clause Search searches the Greek / Hebrew source texts, but the lemma's we search for are in English. How does that work? 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 8 2021 3:39 PM

I tried  verb-lemma:προσφέρω  person:Jesus   --> verb for 'offered up'. Both are part of the same clause, and separately recognised, but it is a complex clause unlike other results in Hebrews, which are also given by verb-lemma:προσφέρω  subject:jesus.

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 8 2021 4:24 PM

The question I've had about this exact same search a while back is why isn't Luke 3:21 included? I believe the answer that I got was that it's because "praying" is a participle in that clause and not a finite verb. But I still think it should be included in that search. It's kind of an important text to see Jesus praying at his baptism. But what do I know...

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 8 2021 4:33 PM

Dave Hooton:

I tried  verb-lemma:προσφέρω  person:Jesus   --> verb for 'offered up'. Both are part of the same clause, and separately recognised, but it is a complex clause unlike other results in Hebrews, which are also given by verb-lemma:προσφέρω  subject:jesus.

προσφέρω is also a participle and not the main verb in the clause so clause search won't find that one either.

I don't see a way to get Clause search to search for participles in a clause, it only searches for the main (finite) verb in a clause.

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Michel Pauw | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 8 2021 9:08 PM

I guess we should get used to combining different searches for the best results

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 9 2021 12:23 AM

Michel Pauw:

I guess we should get used to combining different searches for the best results

And your start should be a text Search like pray* <Person Jesus>

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 9 2021 6:35 AM

I ran a Thematic Outline guide on Luke 3:21. It has a section on "The Prayers of Jesus Christ." All the data in Thematic Outlines comes from the Dictionary of Bible Themes.

Here's the link to the article: https://ref.ly/logosres/dicbblthemes?hw=Jesus+Christ%2c+prayers+of

The article includes both Luke 3:21 and Hebrews 5:7. You can send the verses to a Passage List from either the guide section or copy/paste them to/from the clipboard into the passage list from the dictionary itself.

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