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Michael Kinch | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jan 12 2022 2:08 PM

Is it possible to list all the cross-references for a certain book of the Bible? I am looking for the cross-references for the book of Daniel. Any suggestions?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 12 2022 2:11 PM

1. open Cross-references guide as a single section guide (Gudis --> Bible reference -- Cross-reference)

2. Enter the passage Daniel

3. Use Save as Passage list to preserve the results.

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Michael Kinch | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 12 2022 5:39 PM

Awesome thanks MJ. 

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Bill Shewmaker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 13 2022 2:32 PM

Hi MJ. While this does give all the cross-references from a book, it doesn't refer to the Scripture in the "source" book. I just did a search on the book of Daniel. It listed all of the cross-references i.e., Genesis *.*, but it didn't link or show which Daniel reference was being used. I would like to see something that would list all of the references in Daniel "linked" or at least referred to in the passage list. Having all of the cross-references without the source isn't too productive...at least in my way of thinking.

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 13 2022 2:49 PM

You are asking for something that the OP did not. One can insert headings in the Passage List which meets your needs but is a manual process (or multiple files). But inserting headings limits the useful of the sort for making one look up a reference only once. Basically, you have to choose what elements are most useful to you or make a suggestion at Roadmap | Faithlife

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Bill Shewmaker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 13 2022 3:30 PM

Thank you for the prompt MJ. I submitted at suggestion at:

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I hope something can be done with relative ease.

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 13 2022 3:50 PM

Looks like the Cross-Reference guide is kind of buried at the bottom of the list. That's not so convenient, but you can right click on it and pin it to the top. Cross references being an awesome tool that is really where they belong!Geeked

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 13 2022 4:33 PM

Faithlife has pushed Important Passages as a better replacement for Cross-References. They are closely related and one should consider carefully which actually meets your needs most closely.

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Michael Kinch | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 13 2022 4:39 PM

mab:

Looks like the Cross-Reference guide is kind of buried at the bottom of the list. That's not so convenient, but you can right click on it and pin it to the top. Cross references being an awesome tool that is really where they belong!Geeked

Thanks! Yes I agree. Cross references are an important step in my bible study process. I like to look at as many cross references as I can to get a deeper understanding of a passage.

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Michael Kinch | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 13 2022 4:52 PM

Bill Shewmaker:

Hi MJ. While this does give all the cross-references from a book, it doesn't refer to the Scripture in the "source" book. I just did a search on the book of Daniel. It listed all of the cross-references i.e., Genesis *.*, but it didn't link or show which Daniel reference was being used. I would like to see something that would list all of the references in Daniel "linked" or at least referred to in the passage list. Having all of the cross-references without the source isn't too productive...at least in my way of thinking.

Thanks Bill for your comments. I don't think that the intention is that we would enter a book and get a list all of the references for that book though that is how I used it. I entered Daniel and it told me that there were over 3234 references. This is important information to me. I think the intent is that you would enter the reference for a passage and get the cross references for that passage. Are you interested in the references for Daniel or to use the tool for other studies?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 13 2022 6:01 PM

mab:
Looks like the Cross-Reference guide is kind of buried at the bottom of the list.

Huh? Guides --> Bible Reference Guides --> Cross-references from alphabetical list ... doesn't seem "buried" to me but one can easily pin it to the favorites under guides OR to the shortcuts bar.

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Justin Gatlin | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 13 2022 7:58 PM

I've created a custom guide that is only the cross references section and saved it in the favorites' bar. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 13 2022 8:56 PM

Yes

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 14 2022 5:12 AM

Bill Shewmaker:

Hi MJ. While this does give all the cross-references from a book, it doesn't refer to the Scripture in the "source" book. I just did a search on the book of Daniel. It listed all of the cross-references i.e., Genesis *.*, but it didn't link or show which Daniel reference was being used. I would like to see something that would list all of the references in Daniel "linked" or at least referred to in the passage list. Having all of the cross-references without the source isn't too productive...at least in my way of thinking.

 

I think what you are looking for is something like New American Standard Bible Cross References might give you. There are others that do somewhat of the same thing... but I find most of them to be short sighted in their references.  And I think the Cross Reference Guide to be very short sighted in what it delivers. The Treasury of Scripture KnowledgeThe Holman Christian Standard Bible: Cross References, The English Standard Version: Cross Reference, , New Topical Textbook  - all seems to search by either a word or a short phrase of one or two words. Many times, I find myself searching for a theme or topic of the verse or passage.

There are other books... like New Naves Topical Bible, Dictionary of Bible Themes - seem to be more about themes... allbeit... sometimes their themes and what I think the themes are may differ.

But with all these... generally they provide a starting place for something I'm searching for and sometimes provide the information that I'm searching for.

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Bill Shewmaker | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 14 2022 7:54 AM

I will be teaching a class on Daniel in the coming weeks and thought it would be nice to present a list of the cross-references in Daniel connecting it with the rest of the Scriptures. However, with over 3K references, it became a lot more complex. I could go through each verse of Daniel and list each cross-reference, so that I have source and destination, OR, as I am currently thinking, it would just be better to say that there are over 3400 cross-references, but not to tell them where...I say this in frustration...
When I opened the cross-reference Guide, and typed in "Daniel" in the search box, it listed ever one of the cross-referenced passages in Canonical order WITHOUT showing which reference went with which verse in Daniel...therefore, becoming totally useless for what I wanted to do...I would have expected each cross-reference to be tied to its source verse in Daniel.  

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Matt Hamrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 14 2022 8:29 AM

Bill Shewmaker:

I will be teaching a class on Daniel in the coming weeks and thought it would be nice to present a list of the cross-references in Daniel connecting it with the rest of the Scriptures. However, with over 3K references, it became a lot more complex. I could go through each verse of Daniel and list each cross-reference, so that I have source and destination, OR, as I am currently thinking, it would just be better to say that there are over 3400 cross-references, but not to tell them where...I say this in frustration...
When I opened the cross-reference Guide, and typed in "Daniel" in the search box, it listed ever one of the cross-referenced passages in Canonical order WITHOUT showing which reference went with which verse in Daniel...therefore, becoming totally useless for what I wanted to do...I would have expected each cross-reference to be tied to its source verse in Daniel.  

I would use the Important Passages instead and only give them a couple per verse

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Michael Kinch | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 14 2022 10:09 AM

Bill Shewmaker:
I will be teaching a class on Daniel in the coming weeks and thought it would be nice to present a list of the cross-references in Daniel connecting it with the rest of the Scriptures.

Hello Bill. I will see what I can come up with and post it here if I am able to do it.

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Bill Shewmaker | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 14 2022 12:45 PM

Matt, I appreciate the help, but the Important Passages does basically the same thing that the Cross-reference Guide does, just not in Canonical order.

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Bill Shewmaker | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 14 2022 12:46 PM

Thank you Michael. 

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Michael Kinch | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 15 2022 1:45 PM

Bill Shewmaker:
I will be teaching a class on Daniel in the coming weeks and thought it would be nice to present a list of the cross-references in Daniel connecting it with the rest of the Scriptures.

Bill, this is what I have found. Logos Cross Reference Guide lists 3,234 passages. Actually I believe these are the total number of verses. There are actually 1,524 references (passages). All of the  books of the Old Testament have been cross referenced to the book of Daniel with the exception of the book of Daniel itself. I believe this to be an error in the guide. There are obviously cross references to other passages in the the book of Daniel within that book. The book "The Story of Daniel," by Stephen Haskell lists 239 margin references in the back of it. In the New Testament, according to the Cross Reference Guide, the books of Titus, Philemon, 2 John, and 3 John are not listed. Going back to Stephen Haskell's book, he lists marginal references for Titus (2 references) and 3 John (2 references). If we take into consideration Stephen Haskell's book we find that the only books in the entire Bible that are not connected to the book of Daniel are Philemon and 2 John. A closer examination will like find connections in these two books as well.

Considering the results of the guide alone there are 1078 cross references to the Old Testament, 359 cross references to the New Testament and 87 cross references to the Apocrypha. 

Looking at both the Cross Reference Guide and Stephen Haskell's research this is what we have book by book.

Genesis                             37

Exodus                              36

Leviticus                              7

Numbers                           15

Deuteronomy                    38

Joshua                              13

Judges                              11

Ruth                                    3

1 Samuel                          16

2 Samuel                          16

1 Kings                             26

2 Kings                             24

1 Chronicles                     15

2 Chronicles                     27

Ezra                                 25

Nehemiah                        14

Esther                              30

Job                                  52

Psalms                          199

Proverbs                         28

Ecclesiastes                     7

Song of Solomon             1

Isaiah                            135

Jeremiah                       116

Lamentations                  15

Ezekiel                            78

Daniel                           239

Hosea                             15

Joel                                  8

Amos                               9

Obadiah                          1

Jonah                              7

Micah                              7

Nahum                            3

Habakkuk                       5

Zephaniah                      4

Haggai                           3

Zechariah                     25

Malachi                          7

Apocrypha                   87

Matthew                      53

Mark                           16

Luke                           45

John                           32

Acts                            48

Romans                      18

1 Corinthians              15

2 Corinthians                7

Galatians                     1

Ephesians                   6

Philippians                  4

Colossians                  2

1 Thessalonians         5

2 Thessalonians         1

1 Timothy                   2

2 Timothy                  4

Titus                          2

Philemon                  0             

Hebrews                 17

James                      6

1 Peter                   13

2 Peter                     4

1 John                      2

2 John                      0

3 John                      2

Jude                         3

Revelation              55

I trust that this info will help you in your studies. I will begin a project at looking at the cross references for the individual verses in the book.

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