How to have Logos pronounce a word....

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xnman | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jan 13 2022 5:33 AM

Time to time... I want to hear a word pronounced. I have Strongs Talking Greek and Hebrew Dictionary and it works but....  I have to open it up go to the word and then hear it spoken.

So... I search the forums..... and either missed it or didn't find how to do it...

I believe there is an easier way in Logos....  what am I missing?

Thanks

xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 13 2022 6:20 AM

If you right click a word in your bible that has a reverse interlinear, you can choose of the left side Lemma (little Bible Word Study round symbol) and choose Pronounce on the right. This will be lemma pronounced rather than the manuscript word ,which often differ but mostly only very slightly.

You can also use the Pronunciation Tool from the Tool menu.

The Greek has different pronunciations for Erasmian/Koine/Modern, and the pronounce in the right click menu uses which ever system you had set last in the Pronunciation Tool.

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Nick Steffen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 13 2022 6:23 AM

I've only used the resource That’s Easy For You to Say: Your Quick Guide to Pronouncing Bible Names. After putting it into the priority list, I right click on the term, then hover over it in the Look Up section. For example, if was curious how to pronounce Mount Mizar, this resource tells me it should be pronounced "MIGH zahr". If you click into it, you can play an audio clip of each pronunciation if the instructions aren't clear.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 13 2022 6:33 AM

xnman:
Time to time... I want to hear a word pronounced.

I won't be bothering with this facility until Faithlife get their act together and release the Dead Sea Tapes!

Who wants to learn how Aramaic is pronounced with a Mid Western drawl or, probably slightly worse a Yorkshire burr?

(However in Yorkshire-folks favour; they are about the only ones with a population who use Thee and Thou in regular speech so they could be closer to the original than we imagine)

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 13 2022 7:09 AM

xnman:
Time to time... I want to hear a word pronounced. I have Strongs Talking Greek and Hebrew Dictionary and it works but....  I have to open it up go to the word and then hear it spoken.

Make sure you have both your Bible and Strong's Talking Greek and Hebrew Dictionary open. Use the panel menu on each to place them in the same Link Set (Put them both in "A" for example). Then you can just click on a word in the Bible and it will navigate to the correct place in the dictionary.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 13 2022 7:46 AM

Mike Binks:

I won't be bothering with this facility until Faithlife get their act together and release the Dead Sea Tapes!

Ah, shucks. you English lost the pronunciation guide from the Romans. Now, you want us Colonials to just guess.

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 13 2022 4:21 PM

Thanks everyone.

Mike.... are you trying to uncolonize us???   lol

xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 13 2022 7:29 PM

Maybe do as Amazon does and offer the Samuel L. Jackson pronunciation option.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 14 2022 1:22 AM

xnman:

Thanks everyone.

Mike.... are you trying to uncolonize us???   lol

Sorry xnman

Despite the obvious merits of the idea I am forbidden to enumerate them due to forum guidelines.Wink

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 14 2022 7:39 AM

A little known factor in early Christianity, was indeed local accents. Iraneus spoke with hints of French (though his writing spoke to an odd North African latin-ish). Athenathius often slipped into Coptic, with back translations to greek. Jerome was well known for his Italian greek lilt, often confused with ancient hebrew. And non-orthodox were well known for accents .... from where they came from (!). In the 3rd and 4th century councils, signs at the entries said 'Speak Greek!! (so many had specially learned Turkish).

Now, to find my spell-checker.

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 14 2022 10:09 AM

When using the audio pronunciation feature for Greek lemmas used in the New Testament, the audio pronunciation provided by "Stong's Talking Greek and Hebrew Dictionary", is often very different from the pronunciation provided by Logos when right-clicking on a word in an interlinear Bible, then selecting the lemma option in the left pane, followed by the pronunciation option in the right pane.

Why is this?

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Kathleen Marie | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 14 2022 11:51 AM

Do only WordSearch people have Strong's Talking? I only see it as a prepub.

Most words come up as a right click, but not always. For example "basemath" in Gen 26:34 in the NASB95. That is when I found the pronunciation tool in Tools.

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 15 2022 3:15 AM

Kathleen Marie:  - I do think Strongs Talking is a product from WordSearch which WordSearchers have. Logos may make it available to all... that I don't know.

To Mike: ... "obvious merits of the idea"... lol ....  gotta love a man true to his heart. Love ya man!

To Kevin: ... Thanks... and I knew about that....  basically, I was wondering if there were a shorter process to hear a word spoken. What would be nice....is to be able to right click on the word and click "pronouce"... which as you point out... it pretty close to that.

Thanks to all.

xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 18 2022 7:08 AM

Rick Ausdahl:

When using the audio pronunciation feature for Greek lemmas used in the New Testament, the audio pronunciation provided by "Stong's Talking Greek and Hebrew Dictionary", is often very different from the pronunciation provided by Logos when right-clicking on a word in an interlinear Bible, then selecting the lemma option in the left pane, followed by the pronunciation option in the right pane.

Why is this?

Would anyone with a knowledge of Biblical Greek have a thought as to why the two Logos audio pronunciation sources noted above, provide such different pronunciations of Greek words?

If both sources are providing "valid" pronunciations, are the pronunciations from one source considered more commonly followed and generally used than the pronunciations from the other source? 

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 18 2022 8:12 AM

Rick Ausdahl:
Would anyone with a knowledge of Biblical Greek have a thought as to why the two Logos audio pronunciation sources noted above, provide such different pronunciations of Greek words?

The pronunciations in Strong's Talking Greek and Hebrew Dictionary were not created by Faithlife. They presumably come from WORDsearch, who originally published the resource.

That said, even the Greek pronunciations that Faithlife created (in the Pronunciation tool and elsewhere in the software) are available in three different pronunciation schemes: Erasmian, Koine, and Modern. Even with those you will not find complete agreement as to exactly how words are meant to be pronounced.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 18 2022 8:30 AM

Andrew Batishko:

[Even with those you will not find complete agreement as to exactly how words are meant to be pronounced.

That is so surpriZing ... or maybe surpriSing. Or maybe sIrprising. Or southern sUprisin'. 

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Greg | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 18 2022 10:26 AM

There are multiple dialects in many languages.  And there is often a dialect that is considerd the standard.

In American English, the standard dialect used on National TV News is a midwestern dialect, not a southern drawl.

In German, the standard dialect and grammar is spoken on national news, and known and taught in schools (High German), but difficult for some in southern Germany or Austria (which also speaks German) to pronounce without a lot of effort.  And I find it nearly impossible to understand someone from Austria who is speaking a German dialect, unless they are trained in standard High German. There is all kinds of local slang that is not considered standard in each region and sometimes special in a given city.

I suppose that FaithLife tried as much as possible to use the standard dialects in their pronunciation tool that speaks the words in Koine Greek, Modern Greek, etc.  That's good enough for me, at least its close to the standard way its was spoken. 

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 18 2022 10:28 AM

Andrew Batishko:
Even with those you will not find complete agreement as to exactly how words are meant to be pronounced.

That is what comes of the using a broad brush approach, your customers need some finer divisions.

How about...

Old Testament Hebrew and Aramaic with options

i. as pronounced by Abraham

ii. as pronounced by David

iii as pronounced by Jeremiah 

New Testament Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic with options

i. as pronounced by Jesus

ii as pronounced by Peter

iii as lisped by Herod

That would be real service.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 18 2022 10:39 AM

Greg:

I suppose that FaithLife tried as much as possible to use the standard dialects in their pronunciation tool that speaks the words in Koine Greek, Modern Greek, etc.  That's good enough for me, at least its close to the way it was supposed to be spoken.

I would have preferred how it was supposed to be spoken, instead of the standard dialects that FL tried to use.

More seriously, Logos offers resources arguing that you'd get closer to koine with modern greek, than earlier wanna-be's.

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Greg | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 18 2022 10:46 AM

DMB:

More seriously, Logos offers resources arguing that you'd get closer to koine with modern greek, than earlier wanna-be's.

Interesting.  What resources describe this?

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