Turabian formatting wrong or user error?

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Christopher Myers | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jan 18 2022 9:40 AM

When Logos automatically adds a footnote with Turabian formatting set, the formatting appears incorrect. 

take for instance the following which was generated by logos 9 set to Turabian. 8tha and 9th.

Russell, D. S. 1968. Between the Testaments. Revised Edition. Philadelphia: Fortress Press.

a proper Turabian footnote it seems would be formatted as follows

D. S Russell, Between the Testament (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1987).,42

Logos has a fair bit of incorrect formatting in this case from the name being in the incorrect order, parenthesis missing  around publisher and date, and missing the page number at the end. Some other forum posts have indicated this is due to the book not having the page number but this is not the case as compare the ABA formatted footnote that logos generates.

Russell, D. S. (1968). Between the Testaments (Revised Edition, p. 42). Fortress Press.

Is there someway to correct the formatting on my end short of rewritting each foot note or is this a defect in the application that needs to be resolved?

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 18 2022 11:16 AM

If I select some text from the resource and copy and paste it here in the forum, here is what I get:

For a short time during the reign of John Hyrcanus (i.e. Hyrcanus I, 134–104 B.C.) Judaea became a vassal state, but independence was regained in 129 B.C. and was confirmed by the Roman Senate.

D. S. Russell, Between the Testaments, Revised Edition. (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1968), 32.

This looks like what you are expecting. The format you are reporting is the resource citation. How are you getting what you see?

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Christopher Myers | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 18 2022 1:01 PM

Here is what I get

For a short time during the reign of John Hyrcanus (i.e. Hyrcanus I, 134–104 B.C.) Judaea became a vassal state, but independence was regained in 129 B.C. and was confirmed by the Roman Senate.

Russell, D. S. 1968. Between the Testaments. Revised Edition. Philadelphia: Fortress Press.

I am just copying from the text in the desktop app select text and then control C control V to paste as show in the image. Also including a copy of the program settings

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 18 2022 1:12 PM

I've just checked and with Turabian 8th I get page numbers in the citation while with Turabian 9th I don't

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 18 2022 1:56 PM

Graham Criddle:

I've just checked and with Turabian 8th I get page numbers in the citation while with Turabian 9th I don't

Thank you. This makes sense. We do have a case open for this issue with Turabian 9th. I don't have an estimate for when it will be resolved. I would recommend using 8th edition for now.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 18 2022 1:59 PM

Thanks Andrew

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Christopher Myers | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 18 2022 2:55 PM

That did it which is enough for what I need right now (8th)

For a short time during the reign of John Hyrcanus (i.e. Hyrcanus I, 134–104 B.C.) Judaea became a vassal state, but independence was regained in 129 B.C. and was confirmed by the Roman Senate

D. S. Russell, Between the Testaments, Revised Edition. (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1968), 32.

thanks for the help!

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Adam Borries (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 26 2022 2:52 PM

Thanks for this report. We were quite confused, until someone pointed out that Turabian 9th edition has two style approaches: 

The formatting above seems to be correct for the Author-Date style, but it makes sense that it doesn't match what you were expecting. Logos primarily uses third-party CSL libraries to automate citations, and the Notes-and-Bibliography version of Turabian 9th isn't available yet. We will make sure to add it in the future. In the meantime, we've updated the name of the style in the software to be more transparent (coming in 9.11), and you'll probably want to use 8th edition for now.

As always when using automated citations, check the formatting against your style guide for correctness (just as you would for spellcheck or grammar corrections). 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 26 2022 11:55 PM

Thanks Adam

That's helpful insight, Graham

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