Please provide us with Logos' epub conversion tool?

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capybara connoisseur | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2022 10:21 AM

Calibre and other methods have proven mostly useless in producing Logos formatted docx files. I stopped using PB altogether because of how inconsistent results are. There is no feasible solution the doesn't require 800 steps and doesn't get good results anyway. (If there is some program I can use that I don't know about please tell me!)

I don't think FL will ever share it, but I can dream. I have a bunch on church history and ancient history in ebook or pdf format. I really want to put into Logos for highlighting, notes, concordance, and features which work with PBs.

It would be extraordinarily helpful, if FL were to do that. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 20 2022 1:24 PM

I have reason to believe that internally Faithlife uses a format other than .docx

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capybara connoisseur | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 21 2022 2:34 AM

MJ. Smith:

I have reason to believe that internally Faithlife uses a format other than .docx

Well, it would be nice if they would make it available to customers whatever it is they use. PB is at present, a useless feature because it is needlessly difficult to use. It's been around since Logos 4 hasn't it? I've been using Logos for several years but not that far back.

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GaoLu | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 21 2022 6:03 AM

I guess that is why we pay for Logos resources. It takes work to make them.

I get good results with most conversions. If a conversion is too complicated, then, I hope Logos will make it for me. Otherwise...yeah.  A lot of the world wishes there was that magic piece of alchemical software that created order from chaos.

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 21 2022 6:38 AM

GaoLu:
A lot of the world wishes there was that magic piece of alchemical software

Straw man.

This request isn't about magic or alchemy. It's about taking an existing document and making it usable in the Logos ap. Whether that's done or not by FL is a business decision. A customer requesting it shouldn't bring derisive comments from the gallery.

My thanks to the various MVPs. Without them Logos would have died early. They were the only real help available.

Faithlife Corp. owes the MVPs free resources for life.

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GaoLu | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 21 2022 7:30 AM

Doc B:

GaoLu:
A lot of the world wishes there was that magic piece of alchemical software

Straw man.

This request isn't about magic or alchemy. It's about taking an existing document and making it usable in the Logos ap. Whether that's done or not by FL is a business decision. A customer requesting it shouldn't bring derisive comments from the gallery.

I apologize, Doc, for the communication error. My silly sense of humor sometimes gets in the way of kind communication. I intended to agree with Chris' desire for such a tool and not to be derisive. Sadly, I don't think any such software exists. I speak from the same frustration as Chris of trying to convert difficult documents. I use Calibre, Word, and an assortment of VB code and macros to clean up messes. I have a heart in this matter.  

Also, I recognize and am deeply grateful for the work Faithlife puts into creating quality books that I love so much.

Thanks for helping me communicate more clearly what I really meant to say!

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 21 2022 12:23 PM

I agree.... one can dream.

In my dream..... I would like a program or file... that would search all my documents, my WordSearch resources in Logos and Logos resources and build an index file for me.

Richard Wilson built one... except it doesn't work with the WordSearch files or with my documents.... here.

I appreciate what Richard has done.

And maybe.... my dream would come true... IF "Guides---> Cross References" was to actually work like that... Maybe that is something we all should ask for... to modify Cross References so that it will acomplish that... wow! (slaps forehead..) what a thought!  lol

And by the way.... YOU can vote on this becoming a reality --- here!!! Please vote!

xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 21 2022 2:37 PM

Chris:
PB is at present, a useless feature because it is needlessly difficult to use. It's been around since Logos 4 hasn't it?

Yes, it has. And with L4 there was the expectation that there would be a PB store where users could sell their own work. Unfortunately, FL discovered the PB's were not used for one's own work (as designed) but rather for importing other's works - legal and not so. This was at the same time music sites were getting into legal trouble for "encouraging" copyright violations. So the store idea got squashed much to my personal annoyance. There was a more limited PB in L3 which had one advantage - the name was constant across all installations so you could share a file then publish additions. I am somewhaat surprised at the enthusiasm to add an additional markdown language to the skills necessary to use the PB; I don't see very much more that would be truly automated. That is not to say there aren't improvements to be made in PB's.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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capybara connoisseur | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 21 2022 3:19 PM

MJ. Smith:

Chris:
PB is at present, a useless feature because it is needlessly difficult to use. It's been around since Logos 4 hasn't it?

Yes, it has. And with L4 there was the expectation that there would be a PB store where users could sell their own work. Unfortunately, FL discovered the PB's were not used for one's own work (as designed) but rather for importing other's works - legal and not so. This was at the same time music sites were getting into legal trouble for "encouraging" copyright violations. So the store idea got squashed much to my personal annoyance. There was a more limited PB in L3 which had one advantage - the name was constant across all installations so you could share a file then publish additions. I am somewhaat surprised at the enthusiasm to add an additional markdown language to the skills necessary to use the PB; I don't see very much more that would be truly automated. That is not to say there aren't improvements to be made in PB's.


I see. That explains a lot! I mean, the real thing that makes it useful to users IS to upload books that aren't written by them. I want to dump books that aren't even sold by FL anywhere into Logos for my personal use for research. In terms of automation, all I really want, inasmuch as algorithmic tagging would be amazing, is for me to be able to plop my ebooks into Logos, have them look presentable without garbled spacing, and have a functional table of contents with chapter markers. I don't need to have it synchronized with Logos' datasets or any of that stuff. I can be a real pain in the behind for moderators on this forum but I'm being serious. I'm not looking to violate copyright. I literally can do this in Calibre (which I do use for organizing ebooks). However, it would be way easier and much more efficient to basically use Logos as my ebook reader than calibre.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 21 2022 3:48 PM

MJ. Smith:

That is not to say there aren't improvements to be made in PB's.

I can see where a simple eBook import might work. But barely. I've brought in bunches of older books, primarily for research (and thus creating various indices). I usually look the book over for which parser is best to begin with. And then tailor the parser. But like the sun comes up in the morning, the printer or publisher will hiccup the format, and 'thar she blows'. I'd say a good import is a full day of work (for a nice product).

But PBs, even without import, are quite usable. Sharing would be nice .... already shared in the files forum hosted by FL.

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