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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2022 9:57 AM

Thanks Paul! We don't do lectionaries at my church but I am always very curious about them so I take a peek at my Father-In-Law's lutheran lectionary every now and then :) 

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2022 9:58 AM

Paul Caneparo:

Mattillo:

DAL:

SineNomine:

DAL:
I got that commentary and 28 more cool resources for $16 in the Anglican Silver L7 Legacy Library 👍😁👌 Better than $9.99 for just one resource.

What commentary?

The Sunday Word <~~ This one.  There was also The Season of Creation: A Preaching Commentary along with other commentaries (from the classic commentary series on different books Logos offers).

DAL

Mr. DAL

I have several Lectionary Commentaries. Any thoughts as to what might make this worth owning in addition to:

https://www.logos.com/product/5801/the-lectionary-commentary-theological-exegesis-for-sundays-texts 

https://www.logos.com/product/15706/feasting-on-the-word 

https://www.logos.com/product/139050/ancient-christian-devotional-series 

I've got the first 2 you list Mattillo. I wouldn't have paid good money for them but they came for a dollar or two as part of a legacy set purchase. They are from the more liberal end of theological thinking.

On a related note, do you know of any more conservative/fundamental lectionaries? Liberal is a big term so I'm not sure how "liberal" they are in your eyes. I don't mean that to be derogatory... just curious as I put myself on more of the conservative side of the spectrum.

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2022 10:18 AM

Mattillo:

Paul Caneparo:

Mattillo:

DAL:

SineNomine:

DAL:
I got that commentary and 28 more cool resources for $16 in the Anglican Silver L7 Legacy Library 👍😁👌 Better than $9.99 for just one resource.

What commentary?

The Sunday Word <~~ This one.  There was also The Season of Creation: A Preaching Commentary along with other commentaries (from the classic commentary series on different books Logos offers).

DAL

Mr. DAL

I have several Lectionary Commentaries. Any thoughts as to what might make this worth owning in addition to:

https://www.logos.com/product/5801/the-lectionary-commentary-theological-exegesis-for-sundays-texts 

https://www.logos.com/product/15706/feasting-on-the-word 

https://www.logos.com/product/139050/ancient-christian-devotional-series 

I've got the first 2 you list Mattillo. I wouldn't have paid good money for them but they came for a dollar or two as part of a legacy set purchase. They are from the more liberal end of theological thinking.

On a related note, do you know of any more conservative/fundamental lectionaries? Liberal is a big term so I'm not sure how "liberal" they are in your eyes. I don't mean that to be derogatory... just curious as I put myself on more of the conservative side of the spectrum.

Hi Mattillo. I deliberately said liberal end to avoid any theological discussions. I don't mind saying I'm conservative, evangelical. I'm not aware of any lectionary commentary sets that are along those lines. I don't think following the lectionary should prevent one from being conservative. It just seems there aren't any sets that cater to that theological persuasion. The sets I have aren't raving liberal, but you can observe the undertone. Hence, I rarely turn to them.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2022 10:38 AM

Fair enough and thank you Paul. Wasn't trying to engage in theological discussions but it is nice to know which way people think certain things may lean. As you can tell, I haven't poked through them much.

Good day to you sir

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2022 11:17 AM

Mattillo:
On a related note, do you know of any more conservative/fundamental lectionaries? Liberal is a big term so I'm not sure how "liberal" they are in your eyes. I don't mean that to be derogatory... just curious as I put myself on more of the conservative side of the spectrum.

Many years ago, actually decades ago, I once had a calendar in combination with the Anglican lectionary, which I had bought from CMS. I looked up their web shop, but it's currently not available, which is not surprising, since it's early in the year... It's also possible that they don't sell this type of calendar any longer at all.

As an alternative, the number of lectionaries extant from the early church is quite innumerable, and those guys were quite conservative... I'm just wondering whether any of those ancient lectionaries are even available in Logos.

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2022 12:24 PM

Mattillo:

Fair enough and thank you Paul. Wasn't trying to engage in theological discussions but it is nice to know which way people think certain things may lean. As you can tell, I haven't poked through them much.

Good day to you sir

Thanks. I wasn't worried about your sensitivities but I know it can create drama.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2022 1:09 PM

Matillo, the lectionary commentaries I just use them for ideas. I’m not really a lectionary preacher. They’re more just for reference.

DAL

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2022 2:18 PM

Mattillo:
On a related note, do you know of any more conservative/fundamental lectionaries? Liberal is a big term so I'm not sure how "liberal" they are in your eyes. I don't mean that to be derogatory... just curious as I put myself on more of the conservative side of the spectrum.

Lectionaries are not conservative or liberal although some progressive authors have authored unofficial lectionaries which use a non-standard canon and therefore can be considered "progressive". The structure of all lectionaries - across time and geography - is quite similar with a rather limited variation in readings. Think of nearly any official lectionary as having the following structure.

  • Sundays and other feast days are the backbone of the lectionary. Ordinary time goes through Jesus life in more or less chronological order. The Easter seasons and the Christmas season overlay and break up this chronological pattern.
  • The number of readings vary from 2 to 7 depending upon the tradition the lectionary belongs to. In the West, two readings (epistle and gospel) was the historical norm; the current norm is three readings (Old Testament, epistle, gospel). 
  • Many lectionaries also have daily reading which may be directly related to the Sunday readings or may be an independent cycle. These tend towards being continuous or semicontinuous readings of Biblical books.
  • Overlaying this basic calendar are fixed date elements - minor feasts, commemorations of saints - this overlay is highly variable both by region and by denomination.

I have read somewhere but never been able to actually verify that churches that use a lectionary have a higher percentage of sermons/homilies based on the Gospels while free-form selection churches have a higher percentage based on the epistles. One could say that all lectionaries are conservative in that their pedigree goes back to the time of Ezra which means, I guess, that all the free-form selection churches must be liberal. Wink

P.S. many of us rarely think of Bible resources as liberal/conservative rather we think in terms of accurate/inaccurate. The two organizational principles have little correlation.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2022 4:27 PM

Thank you MJ! I find the idea of lectionaries fascinating so that is some good information. 

I misspoke before as well. I was referring to the commentaries on Lectionary readings before but I wasn’t clear 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 25 2022 12:39 AM

Jan Krohn:
I'm just wondering whether any of those ancient lectionaries are even available in Logos.

No, and the implementation of the ordo within the lectionary makes it difficult for Logos to support lectionaries not in current use. Logos should bite the bullet and do a redesign - it would greatly decrease the maintenance cost.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 25 2022 12:41 AM

Jan Krohn:
I once had a calendar in combination with the Anglican lectionary, which I had bought from CMS. I looked up their web shop, but it's currently not available,

These are usually available a few weeks before the start of the liturgical year -- often you have to preorder to be certain of nabbing one.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 25 2022 11:07 AM

What is the CMS and where would one go to preorder?

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 25 2022 11:11 AM

Mattillo:

What is the CMS and where would one go to preorder?

Church Mission Society. There's a shop on their website, but I got that calendar at a mission themed church service while I was living in the UK at the time. Not sure if it's ever possible to get at the web shop.

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 25 2022 11:12 AM

Mattillo:

What is the CMS and where would one go to preorder?

I'm guessing this is:

https://churchmissionsociety.org/

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