Help with Understanding Search Clauses

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Matt Leonard | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Mar 12 2022 10:17 AM

Hey everyone,

Very quick question regarding Search Clauses,

Why when I type: 

place: gethsemane person: jesus

Does it only find two verse, but when I just search on gethsemane it finds four.

All four verses are about Jesus in Gethsemane, so I don't understand why it doesn't show all four.

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Also,

I'm trying to understand the difference between 'object' and 'thing'.

Many thanks,

Matt

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John Connell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 12 2022 11:04 AM

This is what I get when I conduct the two searched you mention. Can you post a screen shot of your results?

-john

And he will turn the hearts of fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers (Mal 4:6a)

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 12 2022 12:42 PM

Matt Leonard:

Does it only find two verse, but when I just search on gethsemane it finds four.

All four verses are about Jesus in Gethsemane, so I don't understand why it doesn't show all four.

It's to do with clause structures - below I show the search with just Gethsemane and a clausal analysis next to it

As you can see - in this example - there are two clauses that mention Gethsemane in Matt 26:36 with the sub clause only mentioning Gethsemane and not Jesus. So both are returned when searching for just Gethsemane but only the first when adding Jesus to the search as well.

Matt Leonard:
I'm trying to understand the difference between 'object' and 'thing'.

From the Logos help file:

object — An entity acting as a direct object of the clause

object-lemma — A lemma in an direct object of the clause

object-lemma-sense — The word sense of a direct object of the clause

object-surface — An original-language word in the text indicating the clause’s direct object

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 thing — A thing mentioned in the clause

 Logos Help (Bellingham, WA: Faithlife, 2018).

Some words are specifically tagged as Things - as shown below - and the Clause Search enables searching on those

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 12 2022 12:43 PM

Hi John

John Connell:
This is what I get when I conduct the two searched you mention. Can you post a screen shot of your results?

I believe Matt is doing a Clause Search as opposed to a Bible Search which is why he is getting different results from you.

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John Connell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 12 2022 12:53 PM

Thanks Graham, 

Makes sense that I couldn't reproduce it.

-john

And he will turn the hearts of fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers (Mal 4:6a)

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