Anyone have info on a Hebrew spelling variation?

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Mar 14 2022 12:08 AM

My original subject title for this post was "Why two different searches for apparently same word?" I actually answered that question in the process of creating the pics below (click them if they're blurry), but I now wish to answer the question in the current title.

When I did a search on "ingathering" in Exo. 23:16NASB...

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...which yielded this result...

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...I immediately noticed the absence of a listing for Exo. 34:22NASB. Since these are the two pericopes in Exodus that mention the three pilgrim festivals, I expected them to both appear in the same search. After searching the word in Exo. 34...

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...which yielded this result...

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...I determined that the reason the Exo. 34 verse was absent from the first search was due to a variation in spelling--specifically, the Exo. 34 spelling has an additional yohdh serving as a mater lectionis.

The pic below shows the Exo. 23 spelling from LHI (blue section w/o yohdh)...

...while this is the Exo. 34 spelling (green section w/ yohdh).

The addition of the yohdh (technically a "letter Y" equivalent, but here used as a vowel per mater lectionis) has the effect of changing the pronunciation from short to long. Using my one-to-one Davidic transliteration method, the difference in spelling and pronunciation is:

Exo. 23 - 'aassipph (aah-SIP)
Exo. 34 - 'aassiypph (aah-SEEP)

What I would like is input on is why this difference occurs. Is this a cantillation issue? I notice that the corresponding cantillation mark in orange (see 2 pics above) is on two different words,  ("ingathering/harvest" - 'aassiypph in E23 & "feast/festival" - hhagh in E34). If this is the cause of the spelling change, I'd like an explanation. Thanks.

Also, for what it's worth, both LHI (above) and DBLH (below) show the lexeme as being the "full" ML spelling (yellow sections).

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 14 2022 12:37 AM

I assume you have Andersen, Francis I., and A. Dean Forbes. Spelling in the Hebrew Bible: Dahood Memorial Lecture. Rome: Biblical Institute Press, 1986.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 14 2022 4:41 AM

MJ. Smith:

I assume you have Andersen, Francis I., and A. Dean Forbes. Spelling in the Hebrew Bible: Dahood Memorial Lecture. Rome: Biblical Institute Press, 1986.

I checked and I do. I didn't see anything in the ToC that obviously addressed my concern. I will peruse it, but if anyone has an explanation on hand, I'd like to hear it.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 8 2022 11:03 AM

Hopeful bump.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 22 2022 11:16 PM

I miss Vincent Setterholm, BK Mitchell, and David Knoll. Sad

David Paul:
Also, for what it's worth, both LHI (above) and DBLH (below) show the lexeme as being the "full" ML spelling (yellow sections).

Regarding this final comment I made in the OP, it occurs to me that both LHI and DBLH are FL products, and I think someone once said an editorial decision was made to use full spellings for lexeme entries where both full and "defective" options exist. I think the decision for that was arbitrary. In other words, this initial observation is effectively tautological and self-referential rather than insightful and instructive.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 23 2022 7:11 AM

David Paul:
I miss Vincent Setterholm, BK Mitchell, and David Knoll. 

Me too.  I learned quite a bit from them.  But to be honest, their presence was reassuring concerning 'Faithlife'.  I'm sure the present staff is competent; I just don't see a lot of comment from them.

David Paul:
Regarding this final comment I made in the OP, it occurs to me that both LHI and DBLH are FL products,

I guess (no offense) I don't get too excited about the Faithlife's product accuracy;  In Accordance I have the images; in BibleWorks (Libby's good friend), the imagery is even versified for quick looks.  Of course the internet is even better, but I like 'downloaded'.

MJ mentioned AF's Spelling volume (you checked).  The verse analysis is quite good (just not your verse ... one 3 verses earlier). And their other volume (in Logos) is also quite good ... Studies in Hebrew and Aramaic Orthography.  This volume sounds like a stack of multi-author wanderings, but actually it's a very tight analysis ... brought fond memories back of Markov!

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