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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 27 2022 2:19 AM

David Taylor Jr:

xnman:

I pray that Logos 10 incorporates ZipScript from WordSearch... or has something like it to insert biblical text into document in Logos or outside of Logos such as Word, Powerpoint, Excel, and others.

Ok, can you please explain ZipScript to me? I've seen it mentioned several times but can't find anything about it.

We already have a function like that.  The Copy Verse function where you can format how you want the verses copied and pasted into other documents in or outside of Logos.

DAL

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 27 2022 3:43 AM

DAL:

We already have a function like that.  The Copy Verse function where you can format how you want the verses copied and pasted into other documents in or outside of Logos.

DAL

Well that's what I thought so I was wondering if there was some magic that ZipScript did that Logos doesn't have or if people just don't know about the copy verse tool?

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 27 2022 4:46 AM

David Taylor Jr:

DAL:

We already have a function like that.  The Copy Verse function where you can format how you want the verses copied and pasted into other documents in or outside of Logos.

DAL

Well that's what I thought so I was wondering if there was some magic that ZipScript did that Logos doesn't have or if people just don't know about the copy verse tool?

Maybe Zscript sounds cooler 😎 But from what I remember, the free ESV CD-ROM had Zscript. I don’t think it was an original WORDsearch feature. They just adopted it.

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skypeace | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 27 2022 8:09 AM

Zipscript existed prior to the ESV and was original to WordSearch although it is a stand alone app. It does what Logos Verse Copy does not. It accesses your  Bibles without opening the main program and allows you to paste verses into any application on or off line. 

Zipscript loads at start up so that if you need to paste a verse it is available all of the time, no need to wait for a main program to load or index. I personally use it about 10 times daily to paste verses into various online apps, social media or forums like this....

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 27 2022 8:41 AM

And here I thought Zipscript was a Walmark prescription app Angel (ZipScript for Android - APK Download (apkpure.com)) Why would I want it in Logos?

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GaoLu | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 27 2022 8:53 AM

Kevin Purcell explains Zipscript and Logos alternatives for Wordsearch users:

https://www.kevinpurcell.org/logos-bible-software-bought-wordsearch-what-does-it-mean-for-me/ 

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Rick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 27 2022 10:27 AM

David Taylor Jr:
Well that's what I thought so I was wondering if there was some magic that ZipScript did that Logos doesn't have or if people just don't know about the copy verse tool?

The convenience of ZipScript is that you didn't have to open WordSearch to use it. If you were typing a casual email or something and decided to add some scripture, you just used ZipScript. 

If you are doing study or research, you'll most likely have Logos open so it wouldn't be a biggie. It is just the speed factor when you know what you want to paste quickly.

I made a quick 2:40 comparison video here: https://vimeo.com/724550065 

In the video, I am writing a simple email and know what scripture I want to add.

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 27 2022 11:55 AM

Rick:

David Taylor Jr:
Well that's what I thought so I was wondering if there was some magic that ZipScript did that Logos doesn't have or if people just don't know about the copy verse tool?

Those that have not used ZipScript... won't understand why I pray Logos will incorporate it into Logos. They seem to be happy with their form of "copy and paste" .... of which ZipScript is far superior.  

It's like what grandma said... "we have the sun and outside... what do we need a clothes dryer for"  Big Smile

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 27 2022 4:00 PM

Since I've used both ZipScript and Copy Verse in Logos many moons ago (and I just tested them right now) I can say this: ZipScript is fast for quick copy and paste, but Logos is not that far behind.  When it comes to different formats, Logos is far superior and versatile. ZipScript is a one trick pony and it's good at it, but Logos has its few tricks under its sleeve and it can be just as fast or faster if you know how to use it.  For me, I keep the program open so I don't have to go through the opening the program step.  I only close it when an update requires a restart.  But going back to Logos Copy Verse capabilities -- For example:

1.  You can copy and paste a verse in 11 different formats.

2.  You can copy and paste manually into a document with two clicks.  All you have to do is click "Copy" and then you go to where you want to paste and paste it there.  OR...Drums please! tatatatatatatatatat tatatatatata Big Smile

3.  You can copy and paste automatically into 10 different locations which totally blows ZipScript out of the water, because it even opens automatically those locations for you.  Here are the different locations where Logos copies and pastes your verses and it opens them for you.  Ah and did I mention that if those locations are already opened, then Logos is super fast in that it virtually "Teleports" the verses into those locations with one click of a button -- Talk about lightning fast, eh? Surprise Stick out tongue Wink Here are the locations:

A.  Faithlife Proclaim

B.  Editor HTML

C.  Microsoft PowerPoint

D. Microsoft Publisher

E. Microsoft Word

F.  Library Office

G.  StarOffice

H.  WordPad

I.  WordOffice

J.  Other

Like I said, if you choose "Send to PowerPoint" and PowerPoint is already opened, the verses just appear there in a blink of an eye.

Now having said that, I rarely use copy and paste.  Since I preach from my laptop, I don't need to copy and paste verses, they're automatically hyperlinked in my outline, so when I need to read a verse, I just click on the hyperlink and it shows me the verse in my preferred Bible.  So unless you're sending emails everyday with full copied and pasted verses, then I don't see how bringing ZipScript over to Logos can bring anything to the table.  Logos is just as fast and more versatile and like anything, you just have to get used to it and know your way around it. Wink

Ta dah! Smile Yes Cool 

DAL

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 27 2022 6:24 PM

MJ. Smith:

And here I thought Zipscript was a Walmark prescription app Angel (ZipScript for Android - APK Download (apkpure.com)) Why would I want it in Logos?

😂😂😂 I must confess that was the first thing that came to my mind since I had not used the app in such a long time! 😂😂😂 Maybe Faithlife can sue Walmart for copyrights and use the money to develop ZipScript for use in Logos 😂😂😂

DAL

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 28 2022 12:28 AM

DAL:
ZipScript is a one trick pony

and, unless I am mistaken a 'one platform pony' ie only works on machines running Windows?

DAL:
I keep the program open so I don't have to go through the opening the program step.

Can someone explain why they would close the program on a regular enough basis to make opening it a chore?

From this side it seems an odd hobby to indulge in. Logos gets restarted enough for updates without restarting it arbitrarily. Most of the time it sits in my rightmost workspace and simply waits to spring into action. It springs into action with a single click only because the homepage seems to wander off if not paid attention to. :-(

Here Logos sits on the right, also staring from right to left - Sermon Docs Desktop 6 - Funeral in Prep Desktop 5 - Rotary Presentations Desktops 4 & 3 - This post Desktop 2

Desktops 8 to 12 are out of sight on my second monitor.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 28 2022 1:30 AM

xnman:

I pray that Logos 10 incorporates ZipScript from WordSearch... or has something like it to insert biblical text into document in Logos or outside of Logos such as Word, Powerpoint, Excel, and others.

All you have to do is get familiar with Logos and you’ll see it can do all those things already.  See my previous post on my assessment of both ZScript and Logos.

Wordsearch users need to embrace Logos, period! WORDsearch is not around anymore, so no use crying over spilled milk 🥛 The only thing I miss about WORDsearch are the cheap prices and my sales rep, but other than that, Logos has always been my main Bible Software, Accordance my second and WS used to be # 3.  Now I’m down to two which is so much better. I will uninstall WS to free up some space in my laptop 👍😁👌

DAL

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Rick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 28 2022 4:26 AM

Mike Binks:
and, unless I am mistaken a 'one platform pony' ie only works on machines running Windows?

It wouldn't be if it ran as a part of the Logos app. I have both Windows and Mac and I think it would be a matter of convenience to have on my Mac.

Mike Binks:
Can someone explain why they would close the program on a regular enough basis to make opening it a chore?

I'm a layperson who prefers to read a hard copy of my Bible and books.  I am not responsible for teaching, nor am I a student. I only use Logos about once or twice a week on average and then only for maybe 15-30 minutes at a time, usually to consult a commentary or dictionary. There is no need for me to keep it open constantly. Plus, my wife logs me off when I am not at home and logs onto her computer user account.

You all seem to be set against Logos incorporating this tool. I don't know why. I don't use the majority of the tools that Logos has but I don't actively discourage them from developing more.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 28 2022 5:16 AM

Rick:
You all seem to be set against Logos incorporating this tool. I don't know why. I don't use the majority of the tools that Logos has but I don't actively discourage them from developing more.
Because the functionality is already there and there are higher priority items many of us would rather Faithlife invest development time into.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 28 2022 6:03 AM

Mike Binks:
Can someone explain why they would close the program on a regular enough basis to make opening it a chore?

Maybe it's Verbum .... your images look like Logos, but hard to say if Verbum is different.  

Today's excitement was Logos in Desktop 2 flashing between Logos 'windows' in a Desktop. Even the top menu bar!  Had to force close it.  

Then there's the problem of tagging multiple resources ... tag textbox inactive unless you force a redraw (move the 'window' border a hair).  

And the problem when closing down, of refusing to close down (forced close necessary) ... that one is easy to predict ... just get used to it.

Don't forget the you've got updates banner (serious?), that when closed, comes right back.

And on and on.  I'm new to both my BMP and the Logos version on the Mac. So, maybe I just notice these minor inconveniences that probably don't merit bug-mention.

I close Logos daily ... I don't think it's all that stable.  And not a criticism ... if FL is like most companies, there's the 'real' platform. And then there's that other one.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 28 2022 8:42 AM

DMB:
So, maybe I just notice these minor inconveniences that probably don't merit bug-mention.

Far from not meriting a bug-mention I would say that these aberrations deserve a thread, one for each of them.

DMB:
Maybe it's Verbum .... your images look like Logos, but hard to say if Verbum is different.  

The screen shots are of Logos. I don't think that Verbum is significantly different from an underlying program point of view. I do think that developing a second fork to the program was a mistake and is still something I resent. In my opinion the management should have have allowed the Verbum features to be incorporated, or not, by simple program options.

DMB:
Today's excitement was Logos in Desktop 2 flashing between Logos 'windows' in a Desktop. Even the top menu bar!  Had to force close it.

This atypical behaviour and needs to be investigated – it is bound to bite somebody else eventually.

DMB:
And the problem when closing down, of refusing to close down (forced close necessary) ... that one is easy to predict ... just get used to it.

I have always found Logos slow to close but it always has done eventually. I put it down to the amount of phoning home it needs to do to keep its files in order. I have 'just got used to it' on the rare occasions that I do shut the program down. It seems to shut down much quicker in response to a 'restart for updates' request.

DMB:
Don't forget the you've got updates banner (serious?), that when closed, comes right back.

Yeh they do. I just give in and let the update proceed, it rarely takes more than a minute of two. Once it is done I am confident that I have the latest version available.

DMB:
I close Logos daily ... I don't think it's all that stable.

I often close Logos weekly, I probably restart the Mac monthly on average - almost always because of OS updates but sometimes due to power glitches. Oddly I restart my MacBook less often - I can leave it running for about 10 days with the lid shut before power loss becomes a problem and when that happens it restarts where I left it once it is plugged in again.

If you are having problems with the Mac version and are having to start and restart either the machine or Logos daily please start other threads the bugs need to be squashed. It should be possible to sort them out as apart from the slow shutdown the others seem to be fairly unique to your way of working.

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How to get logs and post them. (now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs)

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 28 2022 9:07 AM

Mike Binks:
Far from not meriting a bug-mention I would say that these aberrations deserve a thread, one for each of them.

Well, Mike, I appreciate your comments.  And I don't wish to appear negative; my impression of the Phoenix team, is they're peddling hard.

After posting the above, my next bug was the refusal to display the 'Find' box.  Surprisingly, it was 'Finding' quite well.  I just had to remember what I had typed (abecedary is just not easy to remember).  Later, I'll check if it's relative to the desktop (#2), or maybe available memory.

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 28 2022 1:20 PM

DAL:

Wordsearch users need to embrace Logos, period! WORDsearch is not around anymore, so no use crying over spilled milk 🥛 The only thing I miss about WORDsearch are the cheap prices and my sales rep, but other than that, Logos has always been my main Bible Software, Accordance my second and WS used to be # 3.  Now I’m down to two which is so much better. I will uninstall WS to free up some space in my laptop 👍😁👌

When it gets that ONLY SOME PEOPLE can request things in Logos... I will promptly leave Logos. There is no crying over spilled milk. And your "2 click copy" doesn't have the formatting that ZipScript does... I hit 2 keys and type in a verse  and hit inter and the verse is pasted into what I am working with .... formatted the way I want it.....  you 2 click copy doesn't come close...  I never close ZipScript.... I use it that much. 

Thank you very much!

Edit:  I tried Logos copy and paste.... I  just prefer a better way.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 28 2022 3:18 PM

xnman:

DAL:

Wordsearch users need to embrace Logos, period! WORDsearch is not around anymore, so no use crying over spilled milk 🥛 The only thing I miss about WORDsearch are the cheap prices and my sales rep, but other than that, Logos has always been my main Bible Software, Accordance my second and WS used to be # 3.  Now I’m down to two which is so much better. I will uninstall WS to free up some space in my laptop 👍😁👌

When it gets that ONLY SOME PEOPLE can request things in Logos... I will promptly leave Logos. There is no crying over spilled milk. And your "2 click copy" doesn't have the formatting that ZipScript does... I hit 2 keys and type in a verse  and hit inter and the verse is pasted into what I am working with .... formatted the way I want it.....  you 2 click copy doesn't come close...  I never close ZipScript.... I use it that much. 

Thank you very much!

Edit:  I tried Logos copy and paste.... I  just prefer a better way.

Obviously you haven’t really used “Copy Verse” that much, because you can copy and paste with one click into PowerPoint, word and other programs you mentioned and way faster than ZScript. But you don’t mention that, do you? That’s because you only want to see what you want to see.  The best is subjective, so what’s best for you is not the best for others.

As far as requesting things in Logos, I have requested many things and I have yet to get them, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to leave because of that. We don’t always get what we want and I’ve learned to live with that 😉 Maybe you should too 😁

DAL

Ps. Nobody closes Zscript, because it runs in the background. At least mine is set up that way 😉

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 28 2022 7:02 PM

Mike Binks:
I have always found Logos slow to close but it always has done eventually. I put it down to the amount of phoning home it needs to do to keep its files in order.

I think Verbum tries to phone Alpha Centauri  .... just an example of frequently forcing a quit.  But a nice view in our neck of the woods.

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