Finding a word in a certain position in a sentence

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Harry Hahne | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Apr 8 2022 10:18 PM

Is it possible to use a Morph Query to find a word (or type of word) in a certain position in the sentence?

For example, suppose I want δέ to be the third word, I don't care what occurs as the first and second word.

I know this can be done with a Syntax search, but setting these up can be finicky, I am hoping that other types of searches allow this.

Do Bible or Morphological searches allow searching for a word in a particular position in a verse?

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 9 2022 12:01 PM

I'm not sure there's a way to find an absolute position in a verse rather than a relative position. You can find the places where δέ has at least two words before it, but I can't think of a way to find where it has exactly two words before it.

The way I'd solve this is in a spreadsheet. I find 50 occurrences in the SBL GNT where δέ is in the third position in the verse.

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 9 2022 1:03 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
I can't think of a way to find where it has exactly two words before it.

I figured it out.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 9 2022 2:57 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
I figured it out.

I don't fully understand it, but I used Agree on None for the 4 Words instead of using Part of Speech.

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 9 2022 5:15 PM

Dave Hooton:
I don't fully understand it, but I used Agree on None for the 4 Words instead of using Part of Speech.
Dave, I don't understand how you set that up. Would you provide a screenshot?

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 9 2022 6:12 PM

Beloved Amodeo:
Would you provide a screenshot?

I think this is what he did:

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While it works in this case, I wouldn't trust it to work in all cases.

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 9 2022 6:19 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Beloved Amodeo:
Would you provide a screenshot?

I think this is what he did:

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While it works in this case, I wouldn't trust it to work in all cases.

Thank you, Phil! Would I be out of place to ask why it should not be trusted to apply globally?

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 9 2022 6:38 PM

Beloved Amodeo:
Would I be out of place to ask why it should not be trusted to apply globally?

Certainly not.

Like Dave, I'm not sure I fully understand what "Agree on None" means and does. So I can't be confident that it won't have unintended effects in other situations. I know it works here, since it produces the same 50 results as the other approach.

I'll see if I can get clarity on the precise meaning and function of "Agree on None" and report back.

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 9 2022 6:41 PM

Perfect! Thanks

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Andreas Roemer | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 10 2022 12:08 AM

Hi,

I am a user from Germany and tried to recreate that once. I couldn't because I didn't even get to the input options for the lemmas. Where in logos does this go? Thanks for the helpful tip and God bless you
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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 10 2022 12:35 AM

Search --> Morph -->Query -->Create morph query document

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Andreas Roemer | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 10 2022 12:39 AM

Thanks alot. That helped me a lot.
Best regards

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