Advantages of full Logos 9 over legacy library packages

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William | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, May 2 2022 3:13 PM

Hello,

I am very new to Logos, and still finding out how to make it work best for me. By way of introduction, I want to use Bible software primarily for personal Bible study, reading commentaries, and making notes. I have already bought several legacy libraries, which were very good value compared to the equivalent Logos 9 package with features. My question is: what are the advantages of Logos 9 over these legacy libraries?

The list of features included with, say, Logos 9 bronze, seem to fall into several categories:

1) Extra maps, photos, lectionaries, 'all the ---s in the Bible', and other reference resources. I already own several dictionaries, encyclopaedias etc through legacy libraries, so I'm not sure how those classified as 'features' would differ from what I already own?

2) Datasets. Again, l don't understand how these would benefit me over my existing dictionaries and other resources. However, I have noticed when I search for something in the factbook, the result is very often from 'Lexham Bible dictionary', which was included in the free version of Logos. Do I need these datasets to make the factbook work better, or is there a way to make it use more of my existing resources?)

3) Language resources. While I would love to learn more about biblical languages some time in the future, these seem far too advanced for my needs at the moment! I wonder if this is the main attraction of Logos 9 for most other people?

4) More interactive sounding features - e.g. 'Bible Browser Tool'

  • Many of these I already own (having bought Logos 9 fundamentals for $50)
  • Some apparently cost $0.00 (such as Notes Update)
  • Others appear as if I don't own them, despite them being included in Logos fundamentals, which I do own! (like the 'Biblical Phrases Dataset', which apparently costs $4.99 rather than saying owned)

Several paid resources that I might find useful (e.g. the NIV OT/NT interlinears - each worth $19.99), say 'You have temporary access to this product.', but I'm not quite sure what this means?! I seem not to have access to them, but if I did, I'm not sure how long temporary access would last...?

As Logos 9 is so much more expensive than the legacy libraries, I feel I must be missing out on something quite significant by only owning legacy libraries. The question is - is this something I need and would use, or not? I am always aware of the danger of getting drawn into spending money on things I don't need, and this seems especially true with matters of faith.

I'd really appreciate if someone could explain some of these things to me. Thank you!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 2 2022 3:20 PM

Faithlife sells its packages in two parts: the feature part and the resource part. The legacy packages are, I believe, strictly resources (library). To add features, you must buy the Logos 9 features package you want either alone or bundled with a resource library. Note that some resources come with the features - those that document the features or are required for the features to function.

Resources are resources - it makes no different if you buy them in a current or legacy package.

Temporary means different things -  but basically on the desktop you can think of them as monthly previews or as long as you have a subscription to Logos Connect.

You never pay twice for a resource, the price of the package is adjusted based on what you already own. 

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Dale E Heath II | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 2 2022 5:05 PM

To add a little bit to what MJ said, tools are part of the features that come with L9. Factbook is one of those tools. In order to work well, Factbook needs resources (library books) to work well. It's ability to function will be determined by it's ability to find what you're looking for. Purchasing a Factbook collection or a L9 Silver or L9 Gold Base Package will give Factbook the resources it needs to do a good job. You can purchase different levels of Feature Sets (tools) apart from the Base Packages if you don't want the library books. L8 Legacy Libraries and L9 Base Packages will tend to have newer library books, if that's what you're after, but not always. There's a lot of oldies, but goodies, in the Legacy Libraries. 25% off too!

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 2 2022 8:31 PM

William:
Several paid resources that I might find useful (e.g. the NIV OT/NT interlinears - each worth $19.99), say 'You have temporary access to this product.', but I'm not quite sure what this means?! I seem not to have access to them, but if I did, I'm not sure how long temporary access would last...?

Welcome Big Smile

Reverse Interlinear resources appear in Bibles: e.g. The Lexham English Bible has Interlinear menu & screen shot shows Greek Morphology visual searches to highlight Greek Morphology in the aligned English words

Free Logos 9 Basic & Verbum 9 Basic include temporary licenses for many resources and features, which allows those resources & features to be freely used while having no effect on dynamic pricing for subsequent purchase(s).

Faithlife also has time limited temporary. Thread => How to Find Expiry Date on Temporary MobileEd Course License?

Another time limited temporary access is a subscription.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 2 2022 9:05 PM

William:
1) Extra maps, photos, lectionaries, 'all the ---s in the Bible', and other reference resources. I already own several dictionaries, encyclopaedias etc through legacy libraries, so I'm not sure how those classified as 'features' would differ from what I already own?

The provide the data necessary to use the features e.g.  'all the ---s in the Bible' support a series of label searches; some of the references support Factbook ...

William:
2) Datasets. Again, l don't understand how these would benefit me over my existing dictionaries and other resources. However, I have noticed when I search for something in the factbook, the result is very often from 'Lexham Bible dictionary', which was included in the free version of Logos. Do I need these datasets to make the factbook work better, or is there a way to make it use more of my existing resources?)

The datasets support many functions from tagging for person/place/thing to morphology to speaker/audience to word sense ... there are many datasets each serving one or more Logos functions. Their names are indicative of the functions they support.

William:
3) Language resources. While I would love to learn more about biblical languages some time in the future, these seem far too advanced for my needs at the moment! I wonder if this is the main attraction of Logos 9 for most other people?

There are many users who either do not know the original languages or have hazy memories of original languages half-learned to pass a course. So no, languages are not the main appeal ... on the other hand, the original language coding makes a number of functions possible and help make technical linguistics/grammars in commentaries more understandale.

William:

4) More interactive sounding features - e.g. 'Bible Browser Tool'

  • Many of these I already own (having bought Logos 9 fundamentals for $50)
  • Some apparently cost $0.00 (such as Notes Update)
  • Others appear as if I don't own them, despite them being included in Logos fundamentals, which I do own! (like the 'Biblical Phrases Dataset', which apparently costs $4.99 rather than saying owned)

Features are not available individually - the assignment of an "individual price" is necessary for dynamic pricing of upgrades. Pay no attention to them. To see whether or not a dataset is owned you need to go to the Help Menu --> About Logos -- then look on the left-hand side for the datasets in question.

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Kathleen Marie | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 3 2022 3:33 PM

One thing to consider is if you are primarily using logos on a mobile app, the web app, or an ARM laptop. The features are designed for AMD laptops and desktops, and not all of the features are available in the apps for other devices.

Some features are of no use until you train to use them.

Some features bring up empty results if you library is not tagged for those features.

I am not explaing this well. I only know enough to know what I do not know.

I upgraded to Bronze and saw no immediate improvement to my searches. The more legacy libraries that I bought, the more that finally came up in searches. Updating to Bronze was putting the cart before the horse, for me. I am not updating my features past Bronze. My next laptop is likely to be an ARM latop, so unless Logos 10 work better on ARM, I don't thnk the features I bought will work.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 12:39 AM

Kathleen Marie:
The features are designed for AMD laptops and desktops, and not all of the features are available in the apps for other devices.

They seem to work quite well on my MacBook and MacMini neither of which have an AMD chip.

Kathleen Marie:
Some features are of no use until you train to use them.

Axiomatic but mostly the 'training is momentary'.

Kathleen Marie:
Some features bring up empty results if you library is not tagged for those features.

Examples would be needed to convince me, but I do understand that some features require that the appropriate resources are available. I seem to remember that is why there are some resources supplied with a 'Connect' subscription.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 1:04 AM

Kathleen Marie:
My next laptop is likely to be an ARM latop, so unless Logos 10 work better on ARM, I don't thnk the features I bought will work.

Please note that Logos software is not supported on the ARM platform.

There is a discussion on providing this support at https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/native-support-for-windows-on-arm 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 1:51 AM

Kathleen Marie:
Some features are of no use until you train to use them.

This is axiomatic. Many years ago, a friend who ran a small computer business supporting small businesses received an "emergency" support call. The customer was unable to get anything to work. Finally, the mentioned that the power was out. When my friend explained that was the problem, the customer insisted that they were beside a window and had plenty of light to work. My point is that the necessity of training depends upon the user more than the feature. Or illustrated by another story 3 of us were the senior analysts/programmers on a team working together for more than a decade. Person 1 always read every manual and took all the training before trying new software tools. Person 2 (me) simply plunged in and used documentation whenever I got stuck. Person 3 (the smartest) simply ignored the tool until the first two mastered it -- then counted on us to teach him what he needed to know to make it useful.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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