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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, May 3 2022 3:12 PM

Yes, I have given myself nearly two years to get used to it. It is STILL the biggest obstacle to the smooth use of Logos/Verum ... and the biggest generator of unwanted panels. I type into the command box "Open NRSV to Acts 22:3", hit enter, and Logos opens Factbook to Open Road Integrated Media. Yes, I understand why it does but is it literally IMPOSSIBLE to simply execute the command as entered when it is fully specified and correct before turning to the selection list for an alternative.

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 3 2022 3:55 PM

I see your frustration and agree the present execution is less than optimal. It appears the Bible prioritization is one reason that one is unable to execute this simple command. If the NRSV is your preferred Bible it will appear in the drop down menu by default as your "preferred" Bible and you may select it. It would make more sense that whatever version you type in the Command Box be the Bible appearing in the drop down menu.

The Factbook domination is another issue altogether. I don't like this either. Hopefully the L10 testers are hard at work on issues such as these.

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 6:44 AM

I agree with MJ. If I type a Bible version and a Scripture address, I most definitely do not want Factbook. If I want Factbook, I can use one of the links that appear all  over my toolbar.

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 6:49 AM

I agree with MJ....  thanks MJ for bring it up!

xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 6:59 AM

MJ. Smith:
Yes, I understand why it does but is it literally IMPOSSIBLE to simply execute the command as entered when it is fully specified and correct before turning to the selection list for an alternative.

Command open nlt includes Resources in drop down selection (with Tool Factbook annoyance having higher priority)

Worse is command open nlt php4.4 that does not have a drop down choice for opening NLT to Philippians 4:4 (so command is useless)

Preferred Bible in this installation is LEB, which appears as a Search option.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 7:32 AM

Noted that Logos is quite picky concerning syntax here: This one provides the option to open a Bible to the desired address:

This one likes Factbook:

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 8:00 AM

MJ. Smith:
I HATE IT

You hate what?

“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 9:34 AM

SineNomine:

MJ. Smith:
I HATE IT

You hate what?

Command Box function being squirrelly.

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

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Roy | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 11:31 AM

MJ. Smith:
I type into the command box "Open NRSV to Acts 22:3", hit enter,

Humm,

When I tried this in Logos (I do not use Verbum) I did not wait for the spinner to finish (did not wait for the drop down) but straight way hit enter, I got the open bible.

Maybe not having the dropdown choices to choose from forced the system (for me) to default to opening the Bible?

If I would wait for the dropdown then I would have had as my 1st choice the same "Open Road Integrated Media" as you received.

I do however understand your point and agree. 

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 12:46 PM

I don't have Verbum....  and it does not work for me.   NKJV is my Bible of  choice.......

I tried "Open NKJV to Acts 22:3" and I got Factbook with "Open Road Integrated Media" ...  huh????

Another "pop up of Factbook.....

xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 12:56 PM

Beloved Amodeo:

SineNomine:

MJ. Smith:
I HATE IT

You hate what?

Command Box function being squirrelly.

Right, but one shouldn't need to have to open a thread to find out whether it's one that is of interest to them. This sort of subject line is known as click-bait.

And SineNomine's signature line backs this up: "Please use descriptive thread titles to attract helpful posts & not waste others' time. Thanks!"

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MWW | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 1:15 PM

Try "Open to Psalm 37:8" and see if that helps! Wink

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 2:38 PM

Rosie Perera:

Beloved Amodeo:

SineNomine:

MJ. Smith:
I HATE IT

You hate what?

Command Box function being squirrelly.

Right, but one shouldn't need to have to open a thread to find out whether it's one that is of interest to them. This sort of subject line is known as click-bait.

And SineNomine's signature line backs this up: "Please use descriptive thread titles to attract helpful posts & not waste others' time. Thanks!"

I'm guilty. It's a fair expectation. I will be more mindful in the future.

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 2:51 PM

Beloved Amodeo:

SineNomine:

MJ. Smith:
I HATE IT

You hate what?

Command Box function being squirrelly.

Squirrelly indeed!   I tried it several times.  Most of the times it did exactly as MJ described.  But twice, it opened the NRSV to the requested passage.

Go figure!!!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 3:19 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Command open nlt includes Resources in drop down selection (with Tool Factbook annoyance having higher priority)

Don't forget that what comes up is dependent upon what you have been using recently. I most often have Factbook interfering with an accurate command ... but after I've been working a while it may shift to putting the resource first and then work as I expect/want/demand.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 3:23 PM

SineNomine:
You hate what?

Please use descriptive thread titles to attract helpful posts & not waste others' time. Thanks!

I usually do - the use of click bait was deliberate this time -- part of my intentional discourse (analysis) synthesis. But I get your point.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 3:27 PM

Rosie Perera:
Right, but one shouldn't need to have to open a thread to find out whether it's one that is of interest to them. This sort of subject line is known as click-bait.

And as I say in my response to SineNomine, the use of click-bait was considered and intentional to get the attention of a particular subset of forum users who have their own frustrations but may not recognize the problem with a short descriptive phrase required by the title.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 3:52 PM

MJ. Smith:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Command open nlt includes Resources in drop down selection (with Tool Factbook annoyance having higher priority)

Don't forget that what comes up is dependent upon what you have been using recently.

With NLT open, command open nlt php4.4 is currently useless for me:

Keep Smiling Smile

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 4:21 PM

MJ. Smith:
to get the attention of a particular subset of forum users

You don't really need to get the attention of forum users on this issue, though. It's Faithlife that you need to get through to. Using "ATTN FL" as a prefix sometimes works. But saying "I HATE IT" is most likely to only attract forum users who like to banter. FL is probably more likely to ignore a thread like this than one with a meaningful subject line.

I can see that what you posted about is a frustration. I used to get frustrated whenever I typed a resource short title and hit Enter right away (without waiting for the selection list to populate) when Logos would open the wrong resource.

I don't personally use the "open" command to open resources directly to a reference. I find it quicker and more logical (to my mind) to simply type nrsv <Enter> (actually, for my most commonly used bibles, nrsv and niv, I just click my toolbar shortcut icon for whichever one) and then immediately type the reference I want into the reference box.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 4 2022 4:31 PM

And I was sitting here rather proud that my understanding of discourse analysis was proving right in that the responses were skewed to the intended audience. I already have brought the issue to the attention of FL and added a suggestion to Feedbear. I'm sorry you don't approve of my use of a rhetorical device, but I can't honestly say it won't happen again if a similar situation arises.

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