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Jason Wells | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Jun 27 2022 8:37 AM

Good morning all,

I have a quick question about c/p and its default mode. Logos c/p has always functioned as what I would consider a true c/p, meaning that it literally c/p whatever is selected (no scripture references etc unless they are there in the text to start with).

I was recently reading something on these forums that led me to believe that you can change that functionality. Is that true or did I misread?

In a perfect world (for me anyway), if I hit ctrl+c/ctrl+v I will have pasted in my preferred style from  Copy Bible Versus. Is it possible to do this or is it a bridge too far?

Also, bonus points if anyone knows how to truly control the fonts etc. in the styles. I.e. I'd like to control the spacing (line breaks, paragraph spacing etc.) while still keeping the formatting of the preferred style (what is captured.- scripture reference etc.)

As always, thanks in advance!

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 27 2022 11:30 PM

Do you use the selection menu at all (can be turned on/off in settings)? If you do use the selection menu, you can simply select the desired text then click on "Copy Verse: Styled". This will use your most recently used style from the CBV tool.

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Jason Wells | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 7 2022 3:29 PM

Thanks for replying Reuben,

First, apologies - I have been out of town and am just now getting to this. I do use the selections menu but that defeats the purpose of what I am attempting to do. Simply put, I want to use my default paste when I use ctrl+c/ctrl+p.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 7 2022 11:31 PM

Jason Wells:
Simply put, I want to use my default paste when I use ctrl+c/ctrl+p.

CBV allows a font to be specified but does not deliver it. You have to rely on the destination font/style as being your "default" or change it after pasting.

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Jason Wells | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2022 7:03 AM

Yep - I understand that and can set the default paste in the app (in this case, OneNote) to paste the text as-is. 

So as an example, if I use my default style, (CBV - Copy, then paste it into OneNote) Is 6:1-3 looks like this:

Isaiah 6:1–3 (NIV) 1 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple. 2 Above him were seraphim, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. 3 And they were calling to one another: 

“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord Almighty;

the whole earth is full of his glory.”  

If however, I just ctrl+c/ctrl+p, then I get this:

6 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and the train of His robe filled the temple. 2 Above it stood seraphim; each one had six wings: with two he covered his face, with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. 3 And one cried to another and said:

“Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of hosts;
The whole earth is full of His glory!”

So, to reiterate, I want ctrl+c/ctrl+p to paste my style (#1 above) into my program (OneNote.) So, is there a way to tell Logos what style to use when using keyboard shortcuts?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2022 1:38 PM

Jason Wells:
So, to reiterate, I want ctrl+c/ctrl+p to paste my style (#1 above) into my program (OneNote.) So, is there a way to tell Logos what style to use when using keyboard shortcuts?

Sorry, no. I've always been disappointed with the lack of control from Logos to Word, as it seems that Word's style dominates.

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Jason Wells | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 10 2022 9:02 AM

Dave Hooton:
as it seems that Word's style dominates.

Dave - This isn't a Word issue (unless I don't fully understand the issue which is entirely possible.) Cntl+c "captures" the data to be pasted. Ctnl+v pastes that data. For my example above, a ctrl+c doesn't capture the scripture reference.  

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 10 2022 6:42 PM

Jason Wells:
Dave - This isn't a Word issue (unless I don't fully understand the issue

I'm talking about the font style and size in the destination, and Word has two or three options  (keep source, merge with destination and text only).

Jason Wells:
Cntl+c "captures" the data to be pasted. Ctnl+v pastes that data. For my example above, a ctrl+c doesn't capture the scripture reference.

You are talking about the apparent lack of data that accompanies the (Ctrl+C) copy of the selected passage. Program Settings has three options:

  1. Citation style
  2. Copy citations  i.e. do you want a citation
  3. Copy footnotes i.e. do you want footnotes that are in the selected passage

If you want the scripture reference it will come with the citation and typically be treated as a footnote in the destination.

Copy Bible Verses is a tool that gives you more control over the formatting of the passage and also allows you to format a scripture reference. It has no control over (Ctrl+C) copy of a selected passage.

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Jason Wells | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2022 3:45 AM

Dave - Thanks for taking the time to discuss. I apologize if it sounds like I am splitting hairs. I am attempting to be accurate and articulate what I believe the technical issues are. 

Regarding Word - agreed. It is simply pasting what you give it with your ctrl+c. The ctrl+c on Logos' side is what I am attempting to understand. It appears (anybody correct me if I am wrong) that there is no way to dictate what data/format Logos copies when you just hit ctrl+c.

*** Note to developers (am I shouting into a void here?): this seems like a pretty easy fix that may address some of the copy/paste issues users are having.

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Wolfgang Schneider | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2022 7:21 AM

Jason Wells:
It is simply pasting what you give it with your ctrl+c. The ctrl+c on Logos' side is what I am attempting to understand. It appears (anybody correct me if I am wrong) that there is no way to dictate what data/format Logos copies when you just hit ctrl+c.
It seems that one should realize that there are two different software involved which handle data and the formats in which they display them differently.
When copying formatted text from a source (software A), they are copied to the clipboard (via ctrl+c) in the format of this source A.   When pasted from the clipboard (via ctrl+v) to the target software B, they are transformed/accepted in a data/format which the target (software B) can handle. Depending on the target software, the original data format may be interpreted and displayed the same as in source software, or it is handled the same only to some degree, or completely different. This is the case with any two source and target software and using the Windows (not Logos, not Word, but Windows) commands ctrl+c and ctrl+v for copying and pasting.

Now, Logos (as a source for text, such as bible text) provides the little tool "Copy Verses" in which a user can set several style and formatting data to be transmitted with the text for the target software (e.g. Word styles/formats) which the Logos tool then uses while pasting the Bible text into the Word document. Using the tool, the added Word style is applied while the tool pastes the text to Word and the user doesn't have to manually apply styles in Word each time when copying different verses, etc. 

Perhaps this more general info helps to understand what happens when copying from Logos to Word (or  in principle - any software to any other software)

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Jason Wells | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 12 2022 3:07 AM

Wolfgang,

Thank you for articulating what I had been attempting to convey. 100% agree with what you stated but my question remains. 

If I highlight a scripture and ctrl+c and then ctrl+v in OneNote (in my case) I get:

*****************************************

35 Jesus wept. 

*****************************************

So I have to use CBV (i.e. my Logos style) to capture the scriptural references etc:

*****************************************

John 11:35 (NIV) - 35 Jesus wept.  

*****************************************

My question is, can I tell Logos to use my preferred style when I ctrl+c. I can handle the ctrl+v and the resulting formatting with the ctrl+v. I am asking if there is a way to dictate my CBV style with ctrl+c.

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Wolfgang Schneider | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 12 2022 4:02 AM

Jason Wells:
If I highlight a scripture and ctrl+c and then ctrl+v in OneNote (in my case) I get:

*****************************************
35 Jesus wept. 
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What exactly do you highlight / mark in your Bible to then be copied? What exactly is displayed in your Bible? E.g.  Does the Bible display the full reference + text ("John 11:35  Jesus wept.") or does it display only verse number + text ("35 Jesus wept") or does it display just the text ("Jesus wept")? Do you mark just the reference of the verse, then Copy to clipboard? Do you mark just the text, then copy to clipboard? Normally, I would expect that the data / text that is copied is what has been marked/highlighted to be copied ...

Jason Wells:
My question is, can I tell Logos to use my preferred style when I ctrl+c. I can handle the ctrl+v and the resulting formatting with the ctrl+v. I am asking if there is a way to dictate my CBV style with ctrl+c.
See above ... generally speaking, you "tell" Logos by way of your program settings how to display its data on your screen (such as what font to use, what size, etc) and then by marking what to copy as it is displayed on your screen ...

How copied data and text is displayed at the receiving end (the software to which you are copying) depends on that target software and how it can interpret text and formatting styles and then display the copied data. If it can't display certain data or style/formatting, it will simply display how it can do it.

I tried with ESV in Logos (as source) and OneNote (as target) ... and had above mentioned results.

  

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 14 2022 9:53 PM

Jason Wells:

The ctrl+c on Logos' side is what I am attempting to understand. It appears (anybody correct me if I am wrong) that there is no way to dictate what data/format Logos copies when you just hit ctrl+c.

I thought that I made it clear what was possible with CTRL+C. Copy Bible Verses is what you should bring to the attention of Faithlife developers.

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