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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2022 11:59 AM

First, we need a hotkey for Bible verse look up. Second, instead of preferred Bible, I think we should have the Bible name either be the accepted abbreviation e.g. NIV11 or spelled out as it is in the Search section. I prefer the former.

More changes to the Go Box are necessary, but I feel like the FeedBear cub. I need help. I didn't sleep well last night and I'm in a bit of a foul mood. Please consider these changes and vote and comment if you agree they would improve the Go Box. Link to FeedBear: Vote and Comment!

https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/alterations-and-additions-to-the-go-box 

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David Wanat | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 13 2022 12:55 PM

You got my vote

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 14 2022 11:56 AM

David Wanat:

You got my vote

Thank you, David! Can I count on you to leave a comment that mentions any feature change you see as essential or any feature you find particularly annoying? 

The following is a message for forum participants in general. The Go Box has become a central feature of Logos and at its best it can save time and add value by fronting information that users are desirous for. About a month ago I highlighted a MP tip that made the Go Box shine. If you missed it you have another opportunity to see the Go Box at its best:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/207793/1210496.aspx 

Would that all aspects of the Go Box featured such ease and utility, this however, is not the case. Because the Go Box stands out in its centrality of function with the program. Every detail is important. This is why I'm committed to making it work for the user and eliminating any feature that fails to add value to its function. I urge all users to get involved. Vote and comment. But, most importantly discuss your ideas and hone them to a fine point, then add them as suggestion for design adaptations. Visit, vote, and comment:

https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/alterations-and-additions-to-the-go-box 

Respectfully,

Beloved

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Wolfgang Schneider | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 14 2022 1:25 PM

Beloved Amodeo:
About a month ago I highlighted a MP tip that made the Go Box shine. If you missed it you have another opportunity to see the Go Box at its best:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/207793/1210496.aspx 

Would that all aspects of the Go Box featured such ease and utility, this however, is not the case.

Note the image from the linked page you mentioned about this MP particular power user trick with the Go Box ... it actually only addressed how to find a particular Bible verse by entering just some word and then selecting from the drop down options the item "search in Bible resource ..." to  open a search window!

screenshot of "crucified live" inside the Go box in Logos

As you can see there is nothing about a "special use of the Go Box", but simply how the current function of the Go Box can be used to effectively find a verse when you only remember a certain expression in the Bible but don't recall the exact place in the Bible.

In the picture you see how the needed command entry to accomplish the task is found among Search commands quite a few lines down in the list with other command options (such as Resources and Tools related commands) listed above it ...

Thus, actually, other aspects of the Go Box features DO work with the very same ease and utility => entering relevant info in the Go Box "A", wait to see the various options in the drop down list and select the option that fits what you want to do "B".

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 14 2022 2:44 PM

Wolfgang Schneider:

Beloved Amodeo:
About a month ago I highlighted a MP tip that made the Go Box shine. If you missed it you have another opportunity to see the Go Box at its best:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/207793/1210496.aspx 

Would that all aspects of the Go Box featured such ease and utility, this however, is not the case.

Note the image from the linked page you mentioned about this MP particular power user trick with the Go Box ... it actually only addressed how to find a particular Bible verse by entering just some word and then selecting from the drop down options the item "search in Bible resource ..." to  open a search window!

screenshot of "crucified live" inside the Go box in Logos

As you can see there is nothing about a "special use of the Go Box", but simply how the current function of the Go Box can be used to effectively find a verse when you only remember a certain expression in the Bible but don't recall the exact place in the Bible.

In the picture you see how the needed command entry to accomplish the task is found among Search commands quite a few lines down in the list with other command options (such as Resources and Tools related commands) listed above it ...

Thus, actually, other aspects of the Go Box features DO work with the very same ease and utility => entering relevant info in the Go Box "A", wait to see the various options in the drop down list and select the option that fits what you want to do "B".

Wolfgang, I have no quarrel with your observations and agree with it generally. Where things come off the rails is with some of the machine learning features FL has developed in Go Box. If you're interested in specific examples, head over to my FeedBear and see some of the changes I'm arguing for:

https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/alterations-and-additions-to-the-go-box 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 14 2022 3:01 PM

Wolfgang Schneider:
Thus, actually, other aspects of the Go Box features DO work with the very same ease and utility => entering relevant info in the Go Box "A", wait to see the various options in the drop down list and select the option that fits what you want to do "B".

Also note that for this user, the Resources section is at the top as his highest priority and search is down a ways.

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 14 2022 3:05 PM

The K.I.S.S. principle is dead..... It's throat was cut by "hieroglyphics" ...  Geeked

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 14 2022 3:21 PM

xnman:
The K.I.S.S. principle is dead

Have you notified the Navy ...? I believe they would be responsible for a memorial service.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 14 2022 8:34 PM

xnman:

The K.I.S.S. principle is dead..... It's throat was cut by "hieroglyphics" ...  Geeked

Google Search will never replace Logos Search. "hieroglyphics" can be removed but you still have to learn the principles of Logos Search to apply it properly.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 15 2022 7:56 AM

Giving at least intermediate/advanced users the option of providing custom input to the 'machine learning' aspects of the GO Box would be very helpful. For example, it would be very nice if I could 'tell' Verbum that when I type a Scripture passage into the GO Box, I don't want Factbook articles as the first set of results. Or, something that would probably be easier to program, implement, and train users to do: I do want the Passage Study Layout to be the first thing that comes up when I type in a Scripture passage to the GO Box with no other commands.

"If <GO Box Contents> = <Scripture Passage>, then [First Result] = [Open Passage Study Layout to <Scripture Passage>]."

Of course, Faithlife would give other options, such as "Go to <Scripture Passage> in preferred Bible", "Start Reading Aloud at <Scripture Passage>", "Open Factbook to <Article>"....

But if the logic their system is using was anywhere near that open to adjustment, we would probably already have, "If <Go Box Contents> = "lookup"+<Any Word>, then [First Result] = [Look up <Any Word>], which Faithlife is apparently effectively unable to do.

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Wolfgang Schneider | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 15 2022 8:43 AM

SineNomine:
Or, something that would probably be easier to program, implement, and train users to do: I do want the Passage Study Layout to be the first thing that comes up when I type in a Scripture passage to the GO Box with no other commands.

"If <GO Box Contents> = <Scripture Passage>, then [First Result] = [Open Passage Study Layout to <Scripture Passage>]."

Of course, Faithlife would give other options, such as "Go to <Scripture Passage> in preferred Bible", "Start Reading Aloud at <Scripture Passage>", "Open Factbook to <Article>"....

And the next user has to re-program things to get rid of passage guide because it is not what is wanted as first result ... You know, if you offer more than one item in a list, something has to be first, something else will be next and something will be last. Sometimes, one person finds what they are looking for in first position, sometimes another person finds their preference in first position in a list ... simple truth!

The Go Box (just as is) provides different appropriate and pertinent items in the same listing ... and users very easily then chose which item in the list they would like to use; sometimes it might be the one at the top of the list, sometimes it is at the bottom of the list.  So What ???  When someone serves a plate with different foods or fruit, is it a big problem because my favorite food is not on the side of the plate pointing right toward me and I may need to turn the plate around to then pick it up ??

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 15 2022 9:17 AM

Wolfgang Schneider:

SineNomine:
Or, something that would probably be easier to program, implement, and train users to do: I do want the Passage Study Layout to be the first thing that comes up when I type in a Scripture passage to the GO Box with no other commands.

"If <GO Box Contents> = <Scripture Passage>, then [First Result] = [Open Passage Study Layout to <Scripture Passage>]."

Of course, Faithlife would give other options, such as "Go to <Scripture Passage> in preferred Bible", "Start Reading Aloud at <Scripture Passage>", "Open Factbook to <Article>"....

And the next user has to re-program things to get rid of passage guide because it is not what is wanted as first result ... You know, if you offer more than one item in a list, something has to be first, something else will be next and something will be last. Sometimes, one person finds what they are looking for in first position, sometimes another person finds their preference in first position in a list ... simple truth!

The Go Box (just as is) provides different appropriate and pertinent items in the same listing ... and users very easily then chose which item in the list they would like to use; sometimes it might be the one at the top of the list, sometimes it is at the bottom of the list.  So What ???  When someone serves a plate with different foods or fruit, is it a big problem because my favorite food is not on the side of the plate pointing right toward me and I may need to turn the plate around to then pick it up ??

My question to you, Wolfgang is are you satisfied with the present implementation of the Go Box or do you think there should be revisions and if so what do you suggest?

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 15 2022 10:06 AM

Dave Hooton:

Google Search will never replace Logos Search. "hieroglyphics" can be removed but you still have to learn the principles of Logos Search to apply it properly.

Dave.... I'm trying.... really....  and thanks for all the help you have given me.

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 15 2022 10:34 AM

Wolfgang Schneider:

And the next user has to re-program things to get rid of passage guide because it is not what is wanted as first result ... You know, if you offer more than one item in a list, something has to be first, something else will be next and something will be last. Sometimes, one person finds what they are looking for in first position, sometimes another person finds their preference in first position in a list ... simple truth!

Not trying to back-step with me.... and I don't mean to offend......  but....

One could argue... why not have Go Box go to to Sermon Builder... or Notes or ... and the list could go on to infinity. ..... or maybe they could just have numbers for everything and all we have to do is remember what number we use and our favorite function will pop up.... Why?   Why have the Go Box do anything except call Search or if a passage, call Bible? Seems simple to me.... less argument all the way around...  And less "bloatware" for Logos.... All these "additions" does actually take a toll on Logos ... even if we don't see it.

As a priority  ....... I would rather FL just stop Factbook from popping up in the Go Box and spend time on improving Search and some of the other functions they already have. I think Search and Factbook need work....  which I have argued for.  I believe doing this first would vastly improve Logos to all users. One important thing about Bible users..... they want resources.... and they want to find things in their resources... and I'm one of those users.   I didn't buy a Bible program for political reasons.... or to brag about having the best one..... but I will brag on how fast I can find something in the Bible program I have simply because that's what helps me in my studies of the Bible. And studying the Bible is important to me. 

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 15 2022 11:06 AM

xnman:
but I will brag on how fast I can find something in the Bible program I have simply because that's what helps me in my studies of the Bible. And studying the Bible is important to me.
Amen. Me too!

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Wolfgang Schneider | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 15 2022 11:10 AM

xnman:
One could argue... why not have Go Box go to to Sermon Builder... or Notes or ... and the list could go on to infinity. ..... or maybe they could just have numbers for everything and all we have to do is remember what number we use and our favorite function will pop up.... Why?   Why have the Go Box do anything except call Search or if a passage, call Bible? ...

The Go Box does itself not call anything ... it puts together a list of possible different Search command possibilities and displays that list. The user then has the liberty to chose which search of which resource, tool, etc. he/she wants to execute.  

Seems to me that instead of understanding what the Go Box is designed to do, the waters have been rather muddied with ideas that do not pertain to the Go Box functionality but perhaps are about the Search tool (or some other feature). 

xnman:
One important thing about Bible users..... they want resources.... and they want to find things in their resources... and I'm one of those users.   I didn't buy a Bible program for political reasons.... or to brag about having the best one..... but I will brag on how fast I can find something in the Bible program I have simply because that's what helps me in my studies of the Bible. And studying the Bible is important to me.

Indeed ... same here.  So then, just open Search tool directly for searching words or expressions, or favorite Bible directly for then entering a reference instead of using the Go Box  and have it open a Search tool or Bible for you.
 

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 15 2022 11:12 AM

xnman, I'm also interested in the quality of information I get. This is where the search capabilities of Logos shines. Now, I know we can stand some simplification of its implementation, but Logos can give you information that is just not possible with other Bible programs.

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 15 2022 11:21 AM

Wolfgang Schneider:
Seems to me that instead of understanding what the Go Box is designed to do, the waters have been rather muddied with ideas that do not pertain to the Go Box functionality but perhaps are about the Search tool (or some other feature).
Logos is a Bible software program. It seems to me things pertaining to the Bible should have priority. 

The fact that there's hotkey priority for search, but not for verse look up is a problem.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 15 2022 11:22 AM

xnman:
Why have the Go Box do anything except call Search or if a passage, call Bible?

Because other users find it valuable to do other things from there as well - I've mentioned a few elsewhere.

For example:

  • it is currently the only place in the software where we can directly enter Logos commands - such as rebuild index
  • I find it useful - really helpful - to be able to open resources directly from there instead of going to the Library to do so

I rarely, if ever, use the Go Box to run a search -  I click the Search icon if I want to do that.

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 15 2022 11:27 AM

Graham Criddle:

xnman:
Why have the Go Box do anything except call Search or if a passage, call Bible?

Because other users find it valuable to do other things from there as well - I've mentioned a few elsewhere.

For example:

  • it is currently the only place in the software where we can directly enter Logos commands - such as rebuild index
  • I find it useful - really helpful - to be able to open resources directly from there instead of going to the Library to do so

I rarely, if ever, use the Go Box to run a search -  I click the Search icon if I want to do that.

Agree, Graham! Except in the special case of using the Go Box for verses I can't quite remember in detail.

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