Logos Lacks Links, again and again and again

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 7 2022 7:04 AM

Dave Palmer:

I would love for the Logos community to be able to crowd source the linking in Logos Reader Editions. It would be a win/win for everyone.

+1 (and not only the Reader Editions)

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 7 2022 8:21 AM

NB.Mick:

Dave Palmer:

I would love for the Logos community to be able to crowd source the linking in Logos Reader Editions. It would be a win/win for everyone.

+1 (and not only the Reader Editions)

I would do it for Reader Editions as they are what they are advertised as.

For Research editions I would do it only for compensation (e.g., logos.com credit) as FaithLife has already been paid to do it.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 7 2022 9:19 AM

Sean:
I would do it for Reader Editions as they are what they are advertised as.

Then, they'd do more Reader Editions ... kind of like they point customers to the forums for support.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 23 2022 9:02 PM

Sean:
Today I just received the title, Trinitarian Dogmatics, published in 2022, a Logos Research Edition.

An update of this came through today, fixing at least the Sonderegger and Barth Romans links. Thanks for attending to this, but please try to do better with your quality control.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 23 2022 9:05 PM

NB.Mick:

Dave Palmer:

I would love for the Logos community to be able to crowd source the linking in Logos Reader Editions. It would be a win/win for everyone.

+1 (and not only the Reader Editions)

Community tags gives you the opportunity ... have you tried it?

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 26 2022 10:55 AM

MJ. Smith:

Sean:
We really should make a master list of "reasons why you shouldn't expect to get links." (It won't be a short one.)

I have my list of one: I should not expect whole classes of links because I lack sufficient information on which to build an accurate prediction as I do not know when the resource was tagged under what guidelines and which resources referenced were matched by resources currently indexed with appropriate indices together with unavoidable human error.



Wasn't there some sort of automated tagging scheme for a while? It could be tied back to that.

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Armin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 27 2022 10:02 AM

I also get annoyed by the missing links. I submitted (as typos) numerous links or corrections of links but am not sure if they ever get fixed.

Another thing that I recently noticed are links from resources to BibleGateWay. For instance,  instead of getting my to John 13:23-26 in Logos, I have  a link to https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+13%3A23-26&version=NIV. Here is the resource:

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 28 2022 4:56 AM

MJ. Smith:

NB.Mick:

Dave Palmer:

I would love for the Logos community to be able to crowd source the linking in Logos Reader Editions. It would be a win/win for everyone.

+1 (and not only the Reader Editions)

Community tags gives you the opportunity ... have you tried it?

In the past I have used Community Notes. I don't see Community Tags giving me the opportunity at all, because they restrict input to concepts, topics and whatever things FL has prepopulated in their tags database - no way to include self-created text (including ref.ly-links) I have seen. Did I miss something?

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Matt Hamrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 28 2022 8:08 AM

Back in 2014 to 2016 I mentioned this exact point. Nobody listened nor cared. So, I stopped.

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Fabian | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 28 2022 8:52 AM

NB.Mick:

This is a Logos Reader Edition, which means FL won't put in the links to other books as we expect from Logos Research Editions. 

The decision to distinguish between the Reader Edition and Logos Research Edition is anyway rubbish. Only a half brained manager can came to such an output. The reason to have it in Logos IS the linking and search capabilities. Without this, it doesn't make sense to put any effort to create a module.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 28 2022 9:50 AM

Fabian:
The reason to have it in Logos IS the linking and search capabilities.

I understand your frustration, but I do not agree... or at least I don't agree with what I <think> you are saying. 

The two primary reasons I want my books in Logos are 1) to have all my books together and 2) to be able to search my library. If I remember a quote, I can type in a snippet and search ALL of my books. That does not require any tagging at all. 

The ability to click on a citation in a footnote and go to the original source is nice... very nice... very helpful. I'm all for it. However, not having that ability won't prevent me from buying the book in Logos. Buying the book on Amazon won't fix your issue, and would eliminate the advantages in my two primary reasons for buying books in Logos. 

Why have a "reader" instead of a "research" edition? Two good reasons I can think of: 1) time to production and 2) cost to the user. If a book wouldn't benefit as much from a "research edition treatment" and can be made available more quickly and cost effectively, I am all for it. 

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Matt Hamrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 28 2022 10:15 AM

Fabian:

NB.Mick:

This is a Logos Reader Edition, which means FL won't put in the links to other books as we expect from Logos Research Editions. 

The decision to distinguish between the Reader Edition and Logos Research Edition is anyway rubbish. Only a half brained manager can came to such an output. The reason to have it in Logos IS the linking and search capabilities. Without this, it doesn't make sense to put any effort to create a module.

My complaint back in time was about Lexham Products specifically. At the time I realized while linking is great it's not necessary because if you own the book just go open and go to the page number cited and boom. It's not rocket science.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 28 2022 10:21 AM

JT (alabama24):
Why have a "reader" instead of a "research" edition? Two good reasons I can think of: 1) time to production and 2) cost to the user. If a book wouldn't benefit as much from a "research edition treatment" and can be made available more quickly and cost effectively, I am all for it. 

I don't doubt 'Reader Editions' .... Kindle can really be a headache and any notes are .... well, not in Logos.

But that said, just yesterday, I was in Patrologia (PseudoDionesius I think) ... it's a research edition (good), even morphed (good). And Logos landed me there on a right-click (good).  But the landing site was in the index, and the index was plain-Jane.  Didn't even bother to cross-ref to the volume I was in.  

I just wish they'd either do a better QA job, or warn users that they sort of skipped this and that.  An almost-research-edition, let's say.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 28 2022 1:34 PM

DMB:
But that said, just yesterday, I was in Patrologia (PseudoDionesius I think) ... it's a research edition (good), even morphed (good). And Logos landed me there on a right-click (good).  But the landing site was in the index, and the index was plain-Jane.  Didn't even bother to cross-ref to the volume I was in.  

What resource had the bad link?

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 28 2022 2:43 PM

SineNomine:

What resource had the bad link?

Links plural. As above Psudo Dionesius, Vol 3, the Intro/Commentary volume.  Although the other volumes have various unlinked indices as well.  Which means you kind of have to guess where the reference is supposed to go.

This is the first time I've use 'History' ... the reference was maybe 8 screens back, in just 24 hours I think. And undated.  I'd think the average pastor would want the date, if he's doing sermons over weeks and weeks.

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Fabian | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 28 2022 2:54 PM

JT (alabama24):

Why have a "reader" instead of a "research" edition? Two good reasons I can think of: 1) time to production and 2) cost to the user. If a book wouldn't benefit as much from a "research edition treatment" and can be made available more quickly and cost effectively, I am all for it. 

If a book didn't benefit as much as a Research Edition than it would still benefit. And as it would not be as complicated as a Research Edition the invest isn't also not as expensive as in other books. So I disagree with your logic. And I would support to bring all books to the same level, that means to invest time to push the Reader Editions to the Research Editions.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 28 2022 7:14 PM

Fabian:
And I would support to bring all books to the same level, that means to invest time to push the Reader Editions to the Research Editions.

Time and money are limited. Would you be willing to pay $100 for a book available elsewhere for $25? Would you be willing to wait 5 years from the time it is available elsewhere? 

There are certainly books which should get the "research edition" treatment... but not all. 

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