L/V 10 Tip of the Day #60 Saving of layouts

MJ. Smith
MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,405
edited November 21 in English Forum

Another tip of the day (TOTD) series for Logos/Verbum 10. They will be short and often drawn from forum posts. Feel free to ask questions and/or suggest forum posts you'd like to see included. Adding comments about the behavior on mobile and web apps would be appreciated by your fellow forumites. A search for "L/V 10 Tip of the Day site:community.logos.com" on Google should bring the tips up as should this Reading List within the application.

This tip is inspired the forum posts: Layouts and remembered places. - Logos Forums and Any way to auto save a layout? - Logos Forums

Basics of the layout menu:

  1. In the upper left of the main window, the name of the current saved layout (user created layout) is displayed. By design the QuickStart layouts and HomePage layouts names are not shown. Vote to include them at Layout names | Faithlife
  2. On the left side of the layout menu are the named layouts in three groups:
  • Quick Start layouts
  • Home Page layouts
  • Named layouts (user defined layouts)
  • On the right side of the layout menu is the layout history. It is suggested that layout names be added to these snap shots:  Add layout name to layout snapshots | Faithlife Screen shots are saved/shown under two conditions (change of layout and closing application). These may be the conditions under which some wish to have an automatic update (of the layout on the left side) to occur: Option to have some layouts automatically update | Faithlife. Note that the update would duplicate the snapshot currently available.
  • The current layout can always be saved as a new named layout or, if a layout is currently in use, it may be updated.
  • History labeled "Snapshot" is taken when one changes the layout being used i.e., switches layouts.
  • History labeled "Application closed" is taken when the application is closed.
  • The last section on the left side is the user defined layouts which is followed by the ability to close a layout without opening another.

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    • DMB
      DMB Member Posts: 3,087

      MJ. Smith said:

      History labeled "Snapshot" is taken when the layout is changed.

      I wonder what that means?  Honest question.

      - Yesterday I 'changed' my main layout probably 20 times (a single save at close app), and no hint of a Snapshot.

      - Scanning backward (maybe 2-3 weeks; can't tell from the month-dates), it 'looks' like a snapshot occurs switching layouts (I have 2 I use).  But it's not consistent.  'Switch' seems like a possible term.  

      - Snapshots also seem to appear when I'm just starting 'blank', quickly checking a resource, and then closing it. But that too is not consistent either. 'Switch' wouldn't work in that instance.  More like 'create'.

      So, we have 'change' (sometimes a snapshot, not often), 'switch' (a snapshot more often, but not guaranteed), and 'create' (hard to say exactly).

      I'm not sure 'Snapshot' can be relied on for anything? They used to be reliable (and overwhelming). I suspect the OP (referenced thread) is probably correct; an option needed.  An add-tab gone crazy.  A parallel that shouldn't. And accidental tab-delete (which one was it?).  And so on.

    • Dave Hooton
      Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,767
      https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1242757#Comment_1242757

      DMB said:

      I'm not sure 'Snapshot' can be relied on for anything?

      I get a Snapshot when needed:

      • After Close All - whether the layout is a Named one or not.
      • After switching layouts  e.g. to Application Closed, Snapshot or a Named layout
        • this applies if I open one resource after starting "blank" i.e. after a Close All

      I don't expect a Snapshot after making changes to my current layout (that is where a manual save can be made).

      Dave
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      Windows 11 & Android 13

    • DMB
      DMB Member Posts: 3,087
      https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1242770#Comment_1242770
      Well, then, I'd wonder what Snapshot is for? Seems like design leftovers from angry user bees L4-L6.
    • Dave Hooton
      Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,767
      https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1242771#Comment_1242771

      DMB said:

      Well, then, I'd wonder what Snapshot is for?

      A user has requested an auto-Save after making changes in a layout, but it shouldn't be classed as a Snapshot if it is a Named layout.

      Dave
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      Windows 11 & Android 13

    • MJ. Smith
      MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,405
      https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1242773#Comment_1242773

      Thanks, I have edited the post to make it clearer I meant change from one layout to another layout.

      Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

    • MJ. Smith
      MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,405
      https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1242771#Comment_1242771

      DMB said:

      Well, then, I'd wonder what Snapshot is for?

      From personal use and forum postings, I believe it is most often used to recover one's position after a close (intended or unintended) or to go back after the fact to make a prior layout a named layout.

      Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

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