Eisenbrauns absence.

Armando Javier Arteaga Unigarro
Armando Javier Arteaga Unigarro Member Posts: 55 ✭✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

I found something unsettling...

  What happened to Eisenbrauns resources on the Logos Catalog? Are you no longer selling Eisenbrauns books??

  It is one of the more serious, academical publishers you have. If Eisenbrauns would become not available in Logos, that would be a serious drawback for my interest in the Libraries...

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  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭

    https://www.logos.com/search?filters=publisher-3175_Publisher&ssi=0&sortBy=Relevance&limit=30&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=all 

    That's from selecting Eisenbrauns from a Eisenbrauns product page.

    Maybe they're renegotiating, since the product pages (from Googling) are still intact. Just no-buy.

  • Lew Worthington
    Lew Worthington Member Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭

    Good catch. I spot checked several of my Eisenbrauns publications and couldn't see them. That is unfortunate. I hope they work out licensing (or whatever) things.

  • Nick Steffen
    Nick Steffen Member Posts: 673 ✭✭✭

    Unsettling is right. Thanks for pointing it out.

  • Jon
    Jon Member Posts: 280 ✭✭✭

    Bumping up in hopes that someone from Faithlife will address this.

  • Ben
    Ben Member Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭

    Yikes! Glad i have not waited to purchase those titles (mostly) I wanted. FL needs to keep those academic publishers. They bring a different crowd of purchasers 

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  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭

    Jon said:

    Bumping up in hopes that someone from Faithlife will address this.

    'Normally' is there's silence on the Western Front, they're working it (they never discuss).  If the publisher is dead, they speak up eventually.  I notice the product pages are still there.

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭

    Ben said:

    Yikes! Glad i have not waited to purchase those titles (mostly) I wanted.

    I'm not so lucky.  So I guess 'wait and see'.

  • Daniel Motley (Logos)
    Daniel Motley (Logos) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 292

    Hi all,

    Last year, Penn State University Press (the owners of Eisenbrauns) made the decision to remove their content from the platform. We certainly hope to be able to offer the content on the platform again in the future.

    For any titles that you have already purchased, this does not affect your ability to view and use the content, whether via our web apps, mobile, desktop, etc. However, anyone interested in purchasing additional Eisenbrauns/Penn State University Press content will not be able to do so at this time.

    Product Manager, Faithlife

  • Beloved Amodeo
    Beloved Amodeo Member Posts: 4,213 ✭✭✭

    Hi all,

    Last year, Penn State University Press (the owners of Eisenbrauns) made the decision to remove their content from the platform. We certainly hope to be able to offer the content on the platform again in the future.

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  • mab
    mab Member Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭

    I've got a lot of volumes in my library from them. Not the first time I've been grateful for my investment even with my forever backlog of reading.

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  • Armando Javier Arteaga Unigarro
    Armando Javier Arteaga Unigarro Member Posts: 55 ✭✭✭

    Hi all,

    Last year, Penn State University Press (the owners of Eisenbrauns) made the decision to remove their content from the platform. We certainly hope to be able to offer the content on the platform again in the future.

    For any titles that you have already purchased, this does not affect your ability to view and use the content, whether via our web apps, mobile, desktop, etc. However, anyone interested in purchasing additional Eisenbrauns/Penn State University Press content will not be able to do so at this time.

    Thank you, Daniel for your kind and timely explanation.

    It would be very much appreciated if Faithlife compensates for this loss to the catalog by offering some equally Academic, Thorough, and Serious resources from other similarly oriented publishers (More Oxford, Yale, Brill, Bloomsbury).

    Best regards and High Hopes!!

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  • Jon
    Jon Member Posts: 280 ✭✭✭

    Hi all,

    Last year, Penn State University Press (the owners of Eisenbrauns) made the decision to remove their content from the platform. We certainly hope to be able to offer the content on the platform again in the future.

    For any titles that you have already purchased, this does not affect your ability to view and use the content, whether via our web apps, mobile, desktop, etc. However, anyone interested in purchasing additional Eisenbrauns/Penn State University Press content will not be able to do so at this time.

    In the future, is it possible that Faithlife can alert customers when a publisher decides they will be leaving the platform?  I’d guess they don’t pull their content “effective immediately” in a situation like that, so it would be great to have some notice they are leaving so we can pull the trigger on anything we want to grab before they leave.

  • Armando Javier Arteaga Unigarro
    Armando Javier Arteaga Unigarro Member Posts: 55 ✭✭✭

    BTW, fellow Logosians... Where would you go (within Logos/Verbum) to get what good 'ol Eisenbrauns can no longer give us? — Y'all know what I mean, I guess...

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  • Wayne Clarke
    Wayne Clarke Member Posts: 226 ✭✭

    With the decision Eisenbrauns has taken to remove their content from Logos, one of the saddest losses will be some of their language resources, such as Mark Futato's "Beginning Biblical Hebrew".  Which is an excellent introduction to Biblical Hebrew and also integrated with Mark's Mobile Ed course (HB101 - Introduction to Biblical Hebrew).

  • Lew Worthington
    Lew Worthington Member Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭

    With the decision Eisenbrauns has taken to remove their content from Logos, one of the saddest losses will be some of their language resources, such as Mark Futato's "Beginning Biblical Hebrew".

    Agreed. In addition to beginning grammars, they offer many good works on aspects of Hebrew that will not be replaced. Plus, their language texts on Akkadian, Hittite, Ugaritic, etc., are even harder to replace. (Full disclosure: I won't spend sleepless nights wondering where my next volume of Hittite grammar will come from.) Plus, some narrative works (like Adele Berlin's Poetics and Interpretation of Biblical Narrative) are seminal and cannot be replaced.

    So to answer Armando Javier Arteaga Unigarro's question, sometimes we can't go anywhere else. [:'(]

  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,826

    The loss is to be regretted. I notice some of their publications are still available through a competitor, so I hope FL can work things out.

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  • Nathan Parker
    Nathan Parker Member Posts: 814 ✭✭✭

    It is a shame that Eisenbrauns has pulled their resources from Logos. There is some really good stuff they had in Logos that will sorely be missed!

    I hope Logos can offer some additional explanation on what happened and if there’s any chance of them getting back such resources.

    In the meantime, I see some Eisenbrauns stuff listed on Accordance’s website. I’m not sure about Olive Tree since it’s been a while since I’ve used their app. It’s always painful when a publisher pulls their resources. I remember it all too well with Moody Press when that happened a while back.

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  • Justin Gatlin
    Justin Gatlin Member, MVP Posts: 2,222

    In the meantime, I see some Eisenbrauns stuff listed on Accordance’s website. 

    Slick. 😂 But I think the forum guideline to not "promote.. competitors" probably still applies if you work for one 

  • Jordan Litchfield
    Jordan Litchfield Member Posts: 539 ✭✭

    Last year, Penn State University Press (the owners of Eisenbrauns) made the decision to remove their content from the platform.

    I am curious as to why a publisher would choose to remove their products from the platform. Clearly they must have some rationale for choosing to close a revenue stream. Does anyone have any insight into this?

  • Lew Worthington
    Lew Worthington Member Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭

    It would be interesting (but possibly frustrating or pointless) to have access to those details.

  • Nathan Parker
    Nathan Parker Member Posts: 814 ✭✭✭

    In the meantime, I see some Eisenbrauns stuff listed on Accordance’s website. 

    Slick. 😂 But I think the forum guideline to not "promote.. competitors" probably still applies if you work for one 

    I’m just answering the original poster’s question. [:)]

    Dr. Nathan Parker

  • Jon
    Jon Member Posts: 280 ✭✭✭

    In the meantime, I see some Eisenbrauns stuff listed on Accordance’s website. 

    Slick. 😂 But I think the forum guideline to not "promote.. competitors" probably still applies if you work for one 

    I’m just answering the original poster’s question. Smile

    I, for one, found it helpful that Nathan mentioned that.  If Logos is going to be unable to keep certain content on their ecosystem, I need to know where else I can get it, as that will impact my decision on what platform to ultimately buy resources on in the future.

  • Jon
    Jon Member Posts: 280 ✭✭✭

    Jon said:

    Hi all,

    Last year, Penn State University Press (the owners of Eisenbrauns) made the decision to remove their content from the platform. We certainly hope to be able to offer the content on the platform again in the future.

    For any titles that you have already purchased, this does not affect your ability to view and use the content, whether via our web apps, mobile, desktop, etc. However, anyone interested in purchasing additional Eisenbrauns/Penn State University Press content will not be able to do so at this time.

    In the future, is it possible that Faithlife can alert customers when a publisher decides they will be leaving the platform?  I’d guess they don’t pull their content “effective immediately” in a situation like that, so it would be great to have some notice they are leaving so we can pull the trigger on anything we want to grab before they leave.

    Bumping this up again in hopes of a reply from Daniel Motley.

  • Daniel Motley (Logos)
    Daniel Motley (Logos) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 292

    Jon said:

    Jon said:

    Hi all,

    Last year, Penn State University Press (the owners of Eisenbrauns) made the decision to remove their content from the platform. We certainly hope to be able to offer the content on the platform again in the future.

    For any titles that you have already purchased, this does not affect your ability to view and use the content, whether via our web apps, mobile, desktop, etc. However, anyone interested in purchasing additional Eisenbrauns/Penn State University Press content will not be able to do so at this time.

    In the future, is it possible that Faithlife can alert customers when a publisher decides they will be leaving the platform?  I’d guess they don’t pull their content “effective immediately” in a situation like that, so it would be great to have some notice they are leaving so we can pull the trigger on anything we want to grab before they leave.

    Bumping this up again in hopes of a reply from Daniel Motley.

    Given the nature of these agreements and exchanges, it isn't possible to inform users ahead of time of any changes. That being said, this was certainly not a usual circumstance. In most cases, a book comes off our platform simply because the publishing house no longer wants to offer it anywhere (think first edition vs second edition). Our goal is to offer as much content as we can on our platform for users and we know changes like this are disappointing.

    Product Manager, Faithlife

  • Kiyah
    Kiyah Member Posts: 2,838 ✭✭✭✭

    I just noticed Eisenbrauns was gone as well, since I just noticed the resources in my library were very scholarly I was looking for more from them and there was nothing.

  • Kiyah
    Kiyah Member Posts: 2,838 ✭✭✭✭

    Given the nature of these agreements and exchanges, it isn't possible to inform users ahead of time of any changes. That being said, this was certainly not a usual circumstance. In most cases, a book comes off our platform simply because the publishing house no longer wants to offer it anywhere (think first edition vs second edition). Our goal is to offer as much content as we can on our platform for users and we know changes like this are disappointing.

    I noticed the product pages are now gone. Does that mean you weren't able to get them to come back?

    I agree with others that Logos should make a push to get as many academic, scholarly publishers as possible. 

  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭

    Kiyah said:

    Given the nature of these agreements and exchanges, it isn't possible to inform users ahead of time of any changes. That being said, this was certainly not a usual circumstance. In most cases, a book comes off our platform simply because the publishing house no longer wants to offer it anywhere (think first edition vs second edition). Our goal is to offer as much content as we can on our platform for users and we know changes like this are disappointing.

    I noticed the product pages are now gone. Does that mean you weren't able to get them to come back?

    I agree with others that Logos should make a push to get as many academic, scholarly publishers as possible. 

    I suspect we are (rightly) unlikely to hear about ongoing negotiations.

    If all communication breaks down, then perhaps we will get something with finality eventually.

    Until then no news is good news.

    Its possible Accordance offered them more money for an exclusive contract or something along those lines banking on original language students everywhere making purchases within accordance out of necessity. If that is what they did, they probably aren't wrong.


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  • MJ. Smith
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    Its possible Accordance offered them more money for an exclusive contract or something along those lines banking on original language students everywhere making purchases within accordance out of necessity. If that is what they did, they probably aren't wrong.

    My speculation was more along the lines of Penn State as a state institution was concerned with relationships with religious organizations which, on the surface, Faithlife would appear to at least need careful review.

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  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭

    MJ. Smith said:

    Its possible Accordance offered them more money for an exclusive contract or something along those lines banking on original language students everywhere making purchases within accordance out of necessity. If that is what they did, they probably aren't wrong.

    My speculation was more along the lines of Penn State as a state institution was concerned with relationships with religious organizations which, on the surface, Faithlife would appear to at least need careful review.

    that makes sense. Faithlife has built into its name certain elements of religion that something like "accordance" does not.

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  • Ted Weis
    Ted Weis Member Posts: 738 ✭✭✭

    Hi all,

    Last year, Penn State University Press (the owners of Eisenbrauns) made the decision to remove their content from the platform. We certainly hope to be able to offer the content on the platform again in the future.

    For any titles that you have already purchased, this does not affect your ability to view and use the content, whether via our web apps, mobile, desktop, etc. However, anyone interested in purchasing additional Eisenbrauns/Penn State University Press content will not be able to do so at this time.

    Any updates to share?

  • Bobby Terhune
    Bobby Terhune Member Posts: 700 ✭✭✭

    its be 1 1/2 years now, is there any news about getting Eisenbrauns back in the Logos foldz?

  • Donovan R. Palmer
    Donovan R. Palmer Member, MVP Posts: 2,886

    Yes, I would appreciate any update... even if it is more of the same.

  • Rick Mansfield (Logos)
    Rick Mansfield (Logos) Member, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 372

    Yes, I would appreciate any update... even if it is more of the same.

    We are in informal discussions, which is essentially all that can be reported at present. But it is well within reason to hold out hope :-) 

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  • Lew Worthington
    Lew Worthington Member Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭
  • BKMitchell
    BKMitchell Member Posts: 659 ✭✭✭

    that makes sense. Faithlife has built into its name certain elements of religion that something like "accordance" does not.

    Well, faithlife used to have noet.com and the noet software platform that could have been able to deal with issues like these.

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