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Anonymous | | Posted: Thu, Aug 26 2010 3:01 PM | Locked

Gestures implemented for Logos 4. Click on right mouse button and drag in the directions indicated below to initiate various functions.

  • left = Go Back
  • right = Go Forward
  • up = Previous Article
  • down = Next Article

It seems to me that the gesture directions are backwards.  Usually on gesture based applications (such as *pple's, or IE8 on a tablet pc, for some examples) one gestures to the left or up to advance further in the content (as though you're advancing to the next page or dragging the visible content up).  I think I'll find the gestures as defined here too confusing and counterintuitive that I'll have to not use them to avoid confusing myself in other programs.

 

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Melissa Snyder | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 26 2010 3:12 PM | Locked

The Back and Forward gestures mimic the left and right arrow behavior on the toolbar and keyboard.

The Previous and Next gestures mimic the behavior of the up and down arrows on the toolbar and keyboard, as well as the Page Up and Down keys.

Anonymous | | Replied: Thu, Aug 26 2010 3:17 PM | Locked

I see your logic, but gestures are a different paradigm with their own logic.

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Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 26 2010 6:40 PM | Locked

I can certainly understand; now using my new HP tm2t tablet, it is confusing because often the mousepad gestures and the touch gestures are different...and it seems to vary by application.  I'd suggest perhaps an "Easy" remedy would be for Logos to allow users to customize what a gesture means...i.e., if we want it to mean the opposite thing, let us select that in the settings.

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 26 2010 7:54 PM | Locked

Ward Walker:

I can certainly understand; now using my new HP tm2t tablet, it is confusing because often the mousepad gestures and the touch gestures are different...and it seems to vary by application.  I'd suggest perhaps an "Easy" remedy would be for Logos to allow users to customize what a gesture means...i.e., if we want it to mean the opposite thing, let us select that in the settings.

Yes Easy and reasonable solution

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 26 2010 8:41 PM | Locked

Ward Walker:

I can certainly understand; now using my new HP tm2t tablet, it is confusing because often the mousepad gestures and the touch gestures are different...and it seems to vary by application.  I'd suggest perhaps an "Easy" remedy would be for Logos to allow users to customize what a gesture means...i.e., if we want it to mean the opposite thing, let us select that in the settings.

As a leftie, I appreciate this idea. Sometimes things feel "backwards" to us. Lefties like to switch the function of the mouse buttons, for example. Even though I'm a leftie, I mouse right-handed, so I personally would be OK with the default settings, but I understand from other frustrations lefties face that customization would be a useful feature. So +1 Yes.

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JimTowler | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 26 2010 11:00 PM | Locked

Yes Please!

I am used to applications that let me change settings. I dislike that Logos4 has only one way for many things, and if we dont like it, too bad!

More settings please ...

(Hide "advanced" ones behind an option to enable advanced settings if you must. However, this in itself can be poor design too.)

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 27 2010 2:42 AM | Locked

Rosie Perera:
As a leftie

Now, I know why you are so brilliant. I should have known. Cool

Rosie Perera:
customization would be a useful feature. So +1 Yes.

Customization is almost always a good feature. ++1 Yes

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 27 2010 5:40 AM | Locked

I agree, I got to thinking about it and the gestures do seem backwards to me....

I vote for the ability to assign gestures to functions and to create gestures as in firegestures....

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Ken Shawver | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 27 2010 7:09 AM | Locked

Rosie Perera:
As a leftie,

 Well lefties have to stick together Big Smile, but I think most of us have learn to acclimate pretty well in a right handed world. So it doesn't affect me other, but it would be nice to switch them if it was more comfortable.

In Christ,

Ken

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 27 2010 1:16 PM | Locked

Kenneth Shawver:
 Well lefties have to stick together Big Smile 

I heartily agree!


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Or if you're dislexic, too (which many lefties are), "LEFTIES UNTIE!"

We recently missed International Left-Handers Day (Aug 13). I remember there used to be a store just for lefties in Boston's Faneuil Hall. There are some lefty product websites here, here (Australia), here (NZ), and here (UK). Wikipedia has a good article on left-handedness. And here's the Left Handed Portal.

It's fun noticing other lefties, and I always get a smile when I remark about it. We have that common life experience. Fortunately it's not a major issue. I can cut just fine with right-handed scissors in my left hand, etc. And the left-handed comments about how sinister we lefties are from those who are in their right minds are all in good fun.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 27 2010 1:30 PM | Locked

Rosie Perera:
And the left-handed comments about how sinister we lefties are from those who are in their right minds are all in good fun.

I remember that many, many years I read an article concerning how the world discriminated against us lefties. The one item I most remember was that the automobile manufacturers put the driver on the left side of the car so that in case of a sideswipe collision he/she would lose some unimportant—their left arm. But then some places in the world have learned our value and put the right arm at risk. Geeked

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Ken Shawver | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 27 2010 4:26 PM | Locked

Rosie Perera:
I remember there used to be a store just for lefties

There is still one in San Francisco at Pier 39.

I don't have a problem either. Learned to cut hair with right-handed scissors left-handed. Threw the instructors for a loop because they didn't know how to teach me. I just said do it the way you normally would and I can figure it out. Bowling left-handed is a lot better too...less traffic on that side and less oil breakdown on the lanes.

Although didn't know there was an Internatioanl Left-Handers Day - bet it's not celebrated in the middle-east Wink (Don't anyone be offended as I know their are customary restrictions of things not to do with your left hand).

In Christ,

Ken

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 27 2010 7:05 PM | Locked

Jack Caviness:
But then some places in the world have learned our value and put the right arm at risk. Geeked

We were content to not discriminate!Geeked

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 27 2010 8:14 PM | Locked

Jeffrey Glen Jackson:

I see your logic, but gestures are a different paradigm with their own logic.

I agree

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Trey Selman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 9 2010 6:48 AM | Locked

I guess I am backwards (or stuck in my ways or old school - as my wife so graciously described it) because the gestures, as designed, seem correct to me.

It took me a while to figure out why they would be considered backwards but I understand now. (motion of flipping the page in a book)

I am for leaving them the way they are (old school paradigm) but as always I would be in favor of customization. I would also like the options to allow customization of other actions. (zoom in, zoom out)

 

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Richard Lyall | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 9 2010 9:23 AM | Locked

It's good to know that others agree - I already put in a plea for reversing the gestures, which seemed backwards to me, but received the same reply that they mimiced the up and down arrows, and answer which didn't seem satisfying at the time.

+1 for customisable gestures!

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Vladimir | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 2 2010 11:06 AM | Locked

Ward Walker:

I can certainly understand; now using my new HP tm2t tablet, it is confusing because often the mousepad gestures and the touch gestures are different...and it seems to vary by application.  I'd suggest perhaps an "Easy" remedy would be for Logos to allow users to customize what a gesture means...i.e., if we want it to mean the opposite thing, let us select that in the settings.

Yes +1

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Clinton Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 3 2010 9:08 AM | Locked

JimT:

I dislike that Logos4 has only one way for many things, and if we dont like it, too bad!

More settings please ...

I agree, I do not like this WYGIWYG interface (what you get is what you get) as there are things that I would like to be able to adjust to make the program work the way I do as opposed to the way Bob does.

 

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 3 2010 10:32 AM | Locked

Clinton Thomas:

JimT:

I dislike that Logos4 has only one way for many things, and if we dont like it, too bad!

More settings please ...

I agree, I do not like this WYGIWYG interface (what you get is what you get) as there are things that I would like to be able to adjust to make the program work the way I do as opposed to the way Bob does.

If I remember correctly, Logos removed the various settings so that it would reduce their cost when it comes to customer support.  While I do not know their numbers, it seems to me that their main issue comes from a poor design UI.  If L4 (or L3) had a good UI design, I believe people would be able to figure out what they want to do.  Thus, lowering the cost for customer support.

The program should be able to work with the user; the user should not have to 'figure out' the program.

This is just my opinion, and I came to my opinion because I had figure out how to do something by going to these forums.  (Question: How many other software programs, other than L4, you know that a person must go to a forum to figure out the program?)

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