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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Sep 1 2010 6:38 PM | Locked

I'm having trouble seeing any relationship between my search request and some of the results:

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 1 2010 6:59 PM | Locked

The results are correct as Basic Search looks in footnotes as with 58 in the NAC.

To avoid this change All Text to Surface Text (I get zero results!).

EDIT: I should remember my own earlier finding that in Basic Search NEAR will search in footnotes whilst WITHIN does not! But there's still some results that need explaining eg. WITHIN 10 words finds the same result in RSB as NEAR.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 1 2010 7:20 PM | Locked

Ah, I didn't see any footnote indicators ... hadn't tried the mouse over.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 1 2010 7:24 PM | Locked

It's still kind of odd. The Image of God footnote contains a mention of Col 3:10 which is within your verse range, but The Christian Family mentions Col 3:18-21 which does not overlap your range.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 1 2010 7:55 PM | Locked

Rosie Perera:

It's still kind of odd. The Image of God footnote contains a mention of Col 3:10 which is within your verse range, but The Christian Family mentions Col 3:18-21 which does not overlap your range.

The Image of God "footnote" contains the Colossians reference term whilst The Christian Family contains "structure", the other search term.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 1 2010 7:58 PM | Locked

Dave Hooton:

Rosie Perera:

It's still kind of odd. The Image of God footnote contains a mention of Col 3:10 which is within your verse range, but The Christian Family mentions Col 3:18-21 which does not overlap your range.

The Image of God "footnote" contains the Colossians reference term whilst The Christian Family contains "structure", the other search term.

OK, totally understandable now. But what an odd example of what search will return sometimes!

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 1 2010 9:18 PM | Locked

Rosie Perera:
But what an odd example of what search will return sometimes!

It's not treated as a footnote (eg. NAC 58) as both WITHIN and NEAR return that result.

But I wonder why NEAR does not return the more obvious NAC result below because the separation is 8 words!?

 

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Melissa Snyder | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 29 2010 8:11 AM | Locked

Dave Hooton:
But I wonder why NEAR does not return the more obvious NAC result below because the separation is 8 words!?

I've heard back from development on this question. "NEAR" is closer to "WITHIN 48 characters" than "WITHIN 10 words" so you may see different results.  In your "WITHIN 10 words" example above, there are more than 48 characters between "(3:1)" and "structure."

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 29 2010 4:24 PM | Locked

Melissa Snyder:
"NEAR" is closer to "WITHIN 48 characters" than "WITHIN 10 words"

Ouch! Get out your tape measure because NEAR implies within about 4.8 inches or 12 cmStick out tongue

EDIT: I've amended Search Help to read:-

  NEAR has an inbuilt proximity filter which is roughly 8-10 words. Use WITHIN for more consistent results.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 29 2010 6:19 PM | Locked

Dave Hooton:

Melissa Snyder:
"NEAR" is closer to "WITHIN 48 characters" than "WITHIN 10 words"

Ouch! Get out your tape measure because NEAR implies within about 4.8 inches or 12 cmStick out tongue

That would only be true if you were using a very small font (10 characters per inch, about 7 points). Smile

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