Hermeneia is newly available for download, and on sale for 50% off!!

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Dan Sheppard | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 15 2010 6:03 PM

Dominick Sela:
I know the Ethiopian Orthodox treat it as orthodox. I thought it fell out of favor with the Jewish.

 

So you're saying the now think it is Unorthodox.  Geeked

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David Knoll | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 15 2010 6:35 PM

Dan Sheppard:
So you're saying the now think it is Unorthodox.

 

Since this came up maybe a few words are in order:

The book of Enoch is a book from the second temple period which has not been canonised by the Jewish community. It was therefore not read or copied and subsequently lost (This is what usually happened to these books with the exception of Sirach and possibly the Damascus Covenant).

We know it is of Jewish origin because parts of the (original?) Aramaic were found in Qumran and possibly (if we accept the reconstruction) a small fragment from a Greek translation of the book. 4 Greek papyri from the 5th Century AD preserve portions of a Greek translation of the book. Luckily it was canonised by the Ethiopians and preserved in Geez. Still the textual situation is VERY complex: The Ethiopian version contains a part that is not known from the Greek or Aramaic evidence (and lacks large portions preserved in Qumran). The order in which various parts of the book were put together varies between the textual witnesses. The book was undoubtedly enlarged and revised over the years. One needs to discern the "original" parts from subsequent additions and one needs to know Geez in order to read it. Thus for most of us (Eshbal who sits next to me in the library is not included) Enoch is only accessible through a translation and a good textual commentary. Nickelsburg is the most detailed and reflects the Qumran evidence but there exists a much older commentary by Charles which is very good.

 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 15 2010 9:09 PM

Greg Masone:

Looking at the two sets on the Pre-Pub page though, it seems each set has the same seven books:

  1. 1 Enoch 1: Chapters 1-36; 81-108
  2. Fourth Ezra
  3. The Apostolic Tradition
  4. The Didache
  5. Ignatius of Antioch
  6. Shepherd of Hermas
  7. The Odes of Solomon

So it seems that if one were to purchase both sets, they'd be getting two sets of these seven books.

Even though this is already an awesome deal, I wonder if Logos could bundle the two pre-pubs together minus the seven repeated books and reflect that in the price?

These sets (and the fact that there's overlap between them, and their prices) are set by Augsburg Fortress. The Logos prices are the same. It's already a phenomenal deal, so creating a bundle of OT + NT for less than the sum of the two of them, but without the duplicated volumes, would be almost illegal it would be so cheap. :-)  But I guess it's worth asking them about.

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nicky crane | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 4:53 AM

PLEASE could we have some sample pages of Hermeneia.  Or a link to a site where I can find them?  Or maybe some kind person would have mercy on me and post a couple of scanned pages?  I want to see how detailed the commentary is, rather than a list of contents or introduction.   I've ordered to lock in at the price, but may well need to ask for a refund if it's more technical than I need.Hmm

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David Knoll | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 5:10 AM

nicky crane:
Or maybe some kind person would have mercy on me and post a couple of scanned pages?

Out of which volume?

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 5:12 AM

nicky crane:

PLEASE could we have some sample pages of Hermeneia.  Or a link to a site where I can find them?  Or maybe some kind person would have mercy on me and post a couple of scanned pages?  I want to see how detailed the commentary is, rather than a list of contents or introduction.   I've ordered to lock in at the price, but may well need to ask for a refund if it's more technical than I need.Hmm

Nicky, on the first page of this thread I included a link to the Amazon.com 1 Peter volume of Hermeneia, which is fully text searchable and you can see lots of sample pages by searching around in it for random stuff and then paging back and forward from any search hit:

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/23022/171516.aspx#171516

There are other volumes on Amazon that also have this search inside feature. Just search for Hermeneia on Amazon. EDIT: That's a pretty good option for whenever you want to see sample pages of a book Logos is offering that they don't provide sample pages for, BTW.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 5:55 AM

Just to clear things up for my feeble brain, there are two new entries in Prepubs, and OT and NT Hermeneia.  There is a package of 43 volumes that just dropped in price to $598.

But other than Odes of Solomon, there are no new books being released that were not previously available in the Hermeneia or Continental Commentary collections sold by Logos. Is this true?

Thanks!

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 6:22 AM

Dominick Sela:
But other than Odes of Solomon, there are no new books being released that were not previously available in the Hermeneia or Continental Commentary collections sold by Logos. Is this true?

Correct!

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 6:46 AM

Mark Barnes:
Correct!

 

Thanks Mark!

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nicky crane | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 7:30 AM

Thank you, David and Rosie.

I found the Amazon site.  In fact it tends to let you view the introduction but not the commentary, but Corinthians had pages from the commentary.  I guess  it's more technical than I need/understand.  So you have saved me having to cancel the order after downloading. Many thanks!Smile

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 7:42 AM

Rosie Perera:

I've been waiting for this one for a while because $1200 was just too much to shell out, and it was available on CD only. But I just noticed today on the "new ebooks" feed (http://www.logos.com/ebooks/new) that it has just been released as a downloadable product. And they've slashed the price to $598!

Hermeneia (43 vols.)

Does anyone know if there will be a 'special upgrade' for those who already own the Hermeneia 43 volumes?

God Bless

Graham

Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke

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Jason | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 9:18 AM

David Knoll:

Jason Kuo:
Any thoughts on the OT bundle?

This is the best bargain you can find if you are looking for high quality scholarly commentaries of the OT. This bundle contains the best available commentaries in English on :

Thanks for the input David! I shall mull this over...

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 9:46 AM

Graham Owen:

Rosie Perera:

I've been waiting for this one for a while because $1200 was just too much to shell out, and it was available on CD only. But I just noticed today on the "new ebooks" feed (http://www.logos.com/ebooks/new) that it has just been released as a downloadable product. And they've slashed the price to $598!

Hermeneia (43 vols.)

Does anyone know if there will be a 'special upgrade' for those who already own the Hermeneia 43 volumes?

If anyone knows, it would be Logos. And I'm sure they're not going to tell anyone before it's announced if they're planning something like that.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 3:07 PM

Mark Barnes:
Hermeneia is pretty critical in its approach (for better and worse), and like most sets quite variable. It's not very theological, but will often pay close attention to historical background.

Thanks for putting this comparison together.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 10:32 PM

Dan Pritchett:
We plan to announce the sale to everyone on NewsWire this week.

Seems it didn't make it on to this weeks newswire....

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 10:32 PM

Dan Pritchett:
We plan to announce the sale to everyone on NewsWire this week.

Seems it didn't make it on to this weeks newswire....

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 17 2010 6:57 AM

Damian McGrath:
Nevertheless, one of the big selling points of the prepub program was always that the price of the items was the cheapest it would ever be.

I am sure that this is something that Bob will comment officially on at some point but in the meantime I think that it is important that we understand that Logos over a number of years have behaved with integrity on this issue and that this change will therefore be in response too a change that was beyond their control. Looking at a number of recent Prep Pubs it is easy to see that an increasing number of resources are being placed on the Pre Pub program by the publishers rather than by Logos and would guess that some or all of the publishers are unwilling to make the same guarantee on Pre Pub pricing as Logos.

The decision to drop the Pre Pub price promise can not have been an easy one for Logos, it has an impact on every customer who has previously purchased a Pre Pub under that promise and will also have an impact on the way customers approach current and future Pre Pubs. 

Of course the upside is that this change is e a strong indication that the publishers have now truly bought into Logos as a publishing format and that more books will be published and the Pre Pub program rather than helping to determine what is published will become an introductory offer price and the five year wait for a book in Pre Pub could be a thing of the past.

God Bless

Graham

Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke

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Mike W | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 17 2010 7:19 AM

Andrew McKenzie:
Seems it didn't make it on to this weeks newswire

 

Thanks, I was wondering if anybody got this announcement on the newswire mailing.  I know that a lot of the Logos emails are targeted and was wondering if I didn't get the announcement because I had bought Hermeneia recently.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 17 2010 7:32 PM

Maybe its going to be a 'Special'  edition of newswire ?

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Dan Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 22 2010 2:26 PM

Here is a message from Will Bergkamp, Publisher and Managing Director of Fortress Press:

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Fortress Press is excited to be offering limited-time introductory pricing on several new products containing Hermeneia and Continental Commentary Series content.

We are partnering with Logos Bible Software to create exclusive Logos 4 downloadable versions of our new packages. The products are still configured, created, and owned by Fortress Press, Logos is just the reseller.

This special partnership allows Logos 4 versions of our content to be available as downloads from the Logos website. With those downloads, Logos 4 users may add the new content to their library without having to buy a CD-ROM, waiting for it to ship, installing it into Libronix, and then getting it to work in Logos 4. The download is easier and eliminates many of these steps for Logos 4 users.

We decided to include Continental Commentary content in the Hermeneia collections to round them out and produce the ultimate collection of historical-critical commentaries. These two commentaries appeal to a similar audience, so it made sense for us to bundle them together.

To celebrate the new collections we are offering an incredible limited-time sale. We dramatically discounted the price so it would fit within the budgets of many more students and pastors who haven’t been able to afford it at the full price. Remember, this discount is only temporary; it’s not the new permanent price for these commentaries.

Another way we made it easy for more people to add this to their libraries was by splitting the full Hermeneia and Continental Commentaries into two separate collections: one for the Old Testament and the other for the New Testament, further reducing the entry price and allowing customers to just purchase OT or NT.

We realize that many people recently bought the Continental Commentary Series as a standalone package from Logos, and they have graciously agreed to offer full refunds of the Continental Commentary Series to anyone that commits to buying the new complete Hermeneia download after October 1st. For more details, please contact Logos after October 1st at 800-875-6467.

Will Bergkamp
Publisher and Managing Director
Fortress Press

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