Can I load windows to a Mac computer and use the windows version of Logos ???? HELP ME!!!

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Charles Carroll Martin | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Oct 8 2009 8:15 PM

I am going to buy the Logos software FOR SURE but I do not want to purchase the wrong version, or the wrong computer. I have my heart set on a Mac Book Pro for several reasons(Mainly digital recording; Live worship etc.)  After some research I get the impression that the windows version out performs the Mac ver.(Is this true?) and can I just use windows on the Mac like I would on any other computer.

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 8 2009 10:00 PM
I have used Logos since the 90's. I switched to the Mac version when it came out. I have not missed v.3 features too much. Besides, eventually the next version of Windows and Mac will come out and there will be greater parity so the decision will not matter when that day comes.

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Colin Thornby | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 8 2009 10:24 PM

Charles Carroll Martin:

 can I just use windows on the Mac like I would on any other computer.

You can, BUT:

(1) You will need to buy a licence for Windows Vista or Windows 7 when it comes out because you need to have a properly registered, activated copy of Windows in addition to your Mac OS.

(2) You can either use Bootcamp (comes built in with MacOS) and boot out of Mac OS and then into Windows when you want to use Windows OR

(3) If you want to be able to run both operating systems at the same time, buy a product such as Parallels or Fusion.

If you choose to have a Windows installation on your machine you'll also want, I'd suggest, to make sure you have proper antivirus, firewall and so on.

 

In my experience (having used both Mac and Windows versions of Logos) the Windows version is still more full featured. I've no doubt this will change, and hopefully there will also be some features or implementations in the Mac version that take advantage of the particular strengths of the Mac OS.

Hope this helps.

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Donovan R. Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 9 2009 9:21 AM

The windows version has more features and in my opinion, is more easy to manage because of the tabs and windows within windows. The Mac version is not as refined as it is a product in its infancy.  I have both the Windows version (running on XP under VMWare Fusion) and the native Mac version for Logos. Here's the pros and cons of each.

Logos for Windows (VMware) - You have the full blown power of Logos 3.x and the years of development behind it, which is cool. However, loading up VMware's Fusion takes a bit longer than other applications. I also find that doing things like global searches on Logos running Windows under Fusion takes longer. In other words, it's not as fast.

Logos for Mac - The Mac version is less than a year old, so the product is in its infancy. The graphical interface in my opinion is awkward and beyond basic "ebook" functions is limited. Logos for Mac opens a window for each resource, so if you are doing anything complex, it quickly becomes unwieldy. IMHO Logos for Mac is mostly a glorified ebook reader... I am grateful for it though because I had a substantial investment in Logos for Windows and couldn't move to the Mac without a Mac version of Logos. If you are primarily wanting Logos for a commentary and reference library, the Mac version is fine. If you want to do intensive exegetical and original language studies, I think you will find the interface frustrating very quickly.  It will be interesting to see what the next major version of Logos for Mac looks like, but pragmatically I'm guessing it will take some time (years) for it to mature as it will be taking some time to catch up with the Windows version. That is unless Logos is throwing some substantial development capacity at it. I think it could also be argued that it will also be interesting to see if Logos for Mac really begins to look and feel like a native Mac application, or whether it will have a Windowsy feel. I know this is subjective and time will only tell.

I have been using Logos for Mac and Windows (under Fusion) for the last nine months and here's what I am doing.  I rarely run the windows version now. Running VMware Fusion is fine, bit I would rather just use native Mac apps because they are faster and take less time to load. So for the most part, Logos for Mac serves as a commentary and reference library for me. It actually does this job pretty well and when it comes to researching my growing reference library, it does a pretty good job.  However, when it comes to exegetical and original language studies, I am using another Mac product now. This is akin to many who have used Bibleworks and Logos together for many years.

FWIW, I moved from Windows to Mac last autumn after 15+ years of using Windows. I have never regretted the decision.

 

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Michael Hite | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 9 2009 10:02 AM
I have also been a long time Logos user and a longtime MAC user. I use Fusion with Windows to run Logos 3.x. I have the MAC version and it is great for some quick and basic study, but the Windows version is FAR more full featured than the MAC version at this time and I use it all the time for deeper study. I am sure they are working on feature parity between the two versions as they have posted in the Forums. Logos runs great inside Fusion. There is a slight performance hit but it is manageable.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 9 2009 11:41 AM

Charles Carroll Martin:

I am going to buy the Logos software FOR SURE but I do not want to purchase the wrong version, or the wrong computer. I have my heart set on a Mac Book Pro for several reasons(Mainly digital recording; Live worship etc.)  After some research I get the impression that the windows version out performs the Mac ver.(Is this true?) and can I just use windows on the Mac like I would on any other computer.

Charles

Donovan gave a good summary of the pro and cons of using Logos on a Mac. I just wanted to respond to  I get the impression that the windows version out performs the Mac ver It all depends on how you will be using Logos. Several users have expressed satisfaction with the Mac version for their study and sermon preparation. Some other (including me) has expressed disappointment because their methods of study rely on some features of the Windows version that are not available on the Mac version.

If you are just starting with Logos, you will probably find the Mac version acceptable.

Jack

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Charles Carroll Martin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 9 2009 9:00 PM

Thanks to all who responded,

That pretty much answered my questions.  I may just start out using my desk top for in depth study and the Mac version for in between and on the go.  I would rather use a product like Fusion  and keep everything on the Mac but the virus issues make me nervous once I put anything to do with windows on the Mac ; since lack of viruses is another primary reason that I will be purchasing a Mac.  Thaks for the help

CCM

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Colin Thornby | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 9 2009 10:32 PM

Charles Carroll Martin:

Thanks to all who responded,

That pretty much answered my questions.  I may just start out using my desk top for in depth study and the Mac version for in between and on the go.  I would rather use a product like Fusion  and keep everything on the Mac but the virus issues make me nervous once I put anything to do with windows on the Mac ; since lack of viruses is another primary reason that I will be purchasing a Mac.  Thaks for the help

CCM

Hi Charles

Do be careful, though - running in Fusion or Parallels still opens you up to virus problems. I'd suggest you still need a decent antivirus, firewall, and spyware solution. I know there is one packaged with Parallels, not sure about Fusion as I don't use it.

Colin

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Donovan R. Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 9 2009 10:40 PM

Fusion has a bundle with McAfee VirusScan Plus. I don't know anything about it except that it is integrated and costs more.

Personally, I just use Window's firewall and I also have a copy of AVG free installed on it as well. Even with this, my exposure to viruses is very limited because I only use XP to run Logos and a password application. So as long as I am not doing email, surfing the web, etc. the exposure to viruses is very limited.

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Charles Hedrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2009 4:44 PM

Most attacks these days are caused by users clicking on things they shouldn't. If you just run software such as Logos, and don't use Windows for your browsing and email, it's not likely to bring malware in.

 

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Donovan R. Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 19 2009 11:00 PM

Charles Hedrick:
Most attacks these days are caused by users clicking on things they shouldn't. If you just run software such as Logos, and don't use Windows for your browsing and email, it's not likely to bring malware in.

True. And one of the big things you can do is have virus filtering on your email with your hosting provider/ISP because so many viruses are transmitted by email as well. By having your hosting provider/ISP scan your email for viruses, this helps prevent viruses from getting to your computer in the first place.  Of course the point here being made is that if you don't run email software on windows, this is even better.

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John A. Murphy, Jr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 13 2009 3:41 AM

I am currently running L4 on my mac.  I have downloaded the Mac Alpha-3 release and it is still missing features.  

For most of my intense Bible Study and sermon prep I use L4 Windows.  I do this through Parallels - which allows me to run both the Mac OS X and Windows simultaneously.  I prefer this to restarting my computer with bootcamp.  You need to have a licensed version of Windows.  I am currently using Windows XP and it is a very stable platform via Parallels on my MacBook Pro.  I have added a monitor and run the windows screen on the external monitor while using the macbook for the Mac Office.  I am able to copy things across platforms without difficulty.  One caveat, while operating on battery (not using the external monitor) running both platforms drains the battery about twice as fast.

I was recently at the Office Supply store and saw Parallels running for about $79 (if I remember correctly).  That was version 4.0.  Realize that they have just released version 5.0.  You will want to shop around.

I think that answers the question you were asking.  

As for which is better - right now L4 for Windows is more fully featured.  I'm hoping that with other programs that are cross platform they will look and behave similarly when the full release comes out.  I'm looking forward to the full-release of L4 for the Mac as running both operating systems drains the battery quickly and I'm looking forward to having my library be more transportable.  :-)

Blessings,

John

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Darren peter wright | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 1 2011 3:36 AM

thinking of buying a mac , but i will mainly use it as i do now with  winodws 7 computer for logos.

 is it slow loading logos through fusion while on the mac ,

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