Gold ...or... SR1 Beta?

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Bob Turner | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Sep 30 2010 9:21 AM

I'm considering trying the SR1 Beta... but... I am curious for info from those who have tried it already.  

Does this make it go back to super slow mode again?  Any big negatives to personal study & sermon prep if I try this out??

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David Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 30 2010 9:32 AM

Choosing to set your update channel to beta is a bit like ordering food at a restaurant that doesn't display the prices…if you have to ask, you're probably not in the right place.

I'd strongly recommend staying on the stable channel unless you know, without a doubt, that you want to use the beta.

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Daniel B. | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 30 2010 9:35 AM

Pastor Bob,

SR1 Beta seems to be just as fast as the Gold. This is my second day of using it (using it pretty much all day/night) and I've seen no quirks. 

 

 

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Bob Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 30 2010 9:45 AM

is there still no printing support?

this is one thing i find very odd... having all these tools & resources available, and yet no ability to print directly from Logos.  i don't know that much about software development, but this seems like it would be one of the most basic features to implement.  am i wrong?

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 30 2010 9:51 AM

Pastor Bob....

Printing is coming; how fast to the Mac side I can't say but it's in the latest Win release.

One thing to note is that according to Logos "stats" that they collected over the years from users...not many users (as compared to the whole of Logos users) printed from the app.

I like printing but according to Logos stats...I'm in the minority.

I know at least a user or two on this board who doesn't using printing AT ALL....

I know that doesn't help when you need to print I just thought you'd be interested to know why they made the decisions that they did.

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Bob Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 30 2010 9:53 AM

David Mitchell:
ordering food at a restaurant that doesn't display the prices…if you have to ask, you're probably not in the right place.

i've honestly never understood this analogy.
it just seems foolish not to ask questions prior to an action with unknown consequences.  

i think that's in Proverbs like... umm... everywhere.  Stick out tongue

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Bob Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 30 2010 9:59 AM

Roberts - thanks for that info.  i appreciate it.  i know i can just copy & paste into Pages... just really looking forward to being able to print directly from Logos & also using it more for sermon development inside the program itself.  

another feature i'm looking forward to is the "Handouts" feature.  personally, with printing, i will be using that feature a lot.

thanks again Robert  :)  i appreciate the 411.

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David Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 30 2010 10:15 AM

Pastor Bob Turner:
David Mitchell:
ordering food at a restaurant that doesn't display the prices…if you have to ask, you're probably not in the right place.

i've honestly never understood this analogy.
it just seems foolish not to ask questions prior to an action with unknown consequences.  

i think that's in Proverbs like... umm... everywhere.  Stick out tongue

Even when prices at a restaurant go unpublished, one can generally infer that they fall within a certain range (else the restaurant would go out of business). However, if one is unfamiliar with this range, it generally implies that said person is likely to be unready for the expense of eating at such a restaurant.

Similarly, with any beta product, it is likely that certain classes of problems may occur—crashes, data corruption, glitches, and the list goes on. If you're unfamiliar with that range of problems, or if you're unwilling to have an unusable product on your hands for an unspecified period of time, the beta is not for you.

During the beta process for 4.0, we've tried to be as responsive as possible to users with problems because we understood that many users may have jumped in without having a full understanding of what the "beta" tag means. However, now that one has to make an extra effort in order to get beta releases, we'll be moving towards a more regimented release schedule for betas, and you may not see the quick turnaround that you may have gotten used to leading up to the release of 4.0 (to be clear, it's not that we don't care about beta users, it's just that pushing out a release is a time-consuming process, and the unscheduled releases that were commonplace in the previous beta process slowed down development somewhat in the long-term, even if they did ease short-term pain).

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Cameron Watters (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 30 2010 10:25 AM
Pastor Bob Turner:
it just seems foolish not to ask questions prior to an action with unknown consequences.

I think this is a fallacy related to scale of consequence. When going out for lunch alone, I generally aim to keep the bill under $10 US, but I'm not terribly concerned about the difference between $6 and $7. When taken as a percentage of total financial capacity, someone with greater financial resources may be able to spend $1000 on a single meal while maintaining a similar ratio of meal-price-to-financial-capacity ratio. Similarly, I live in a first-world country with a good job in an area with above-average cost of living, so compared to someone living in the third-world, my $10 for lunch may seem ridiculously extravagant.

Evaluating the potential consequences of an action is more about understanding the range/scope of potential consequences rather than knowing the specific consequence for a particular action. Life is rarely so deterministic. In this case, a restaurant without prices requires patrons to be able to endure a broader range of potential consequences than a restaurant with prices. Further, they expect that you already know (based on experience/judgement rather than their informing you) what the potential range of consequences is. When the price of acquiring the entire restaurant is a rounding error on last year's financial statement, I suspect one isn't particularly worried about meal price.

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Mariano Proto | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 30 2010 10:30 AM

how do you go back to Gold version???

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Bob Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 30 2010 10:31 AM

that's it... i'm going to lunch.

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David Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 30 2010 10:37 AM

Mariano Proto:

how do you go back to Gold version???

That's just it: you don't.

Once you're in the beta, you're in until the next stable release.

Unless you want to delete everything and start over.

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Cameron Watters (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 30 2010 10:40 AM
David Mitchell:
Once you're in the beta, you're in until the next stable release.
Type "Set Update Channel to Default", and the next time we release a stable (non-beta) release to the beta channel, you'll get put back on the stable channel automatically. In the mean time, you'll remain on the beta channel.

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Bob Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 30 2010 11:12 AM

Oh so we CAN go back to a non-Beta then?  well that changes everything.  Yes

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 30 2010 11:18 AM

How do I get Logos to make lunch for me?

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Patrick S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 30 2010 11:23 AM

Pastor Bob Turner:

Oh so we CAN go back to a non-Beta then?  well that changes everything.  Yes

Except David said...

David Mitchell:

Unless you want to delete everything and start over.

Starting over with Logos app, and by that I take it it means clean slate, downloading and indexing all resources again, is not a decision to take lightly.

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David Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 30 2010 11:52 AM

Patrick S.:

Pastor Bob Turner:

Oh so we CAN go back to a non-Beta then?  well that changes everything.  Yes

Except David said...

 

David Mitchell:

Unless you want to delete everything and start over.

Starting over with Logos app, and by that I take it it means clean slate, downloading and indexing all resources again, is not a decision to take lightly.

It's also not a complete guarantee that you'll be in a usable state when you finish all of that—for example, if you've synced data from the beta that has a format unsupported by the previous version.

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Bob Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 30 2010 12:02 PM

I have Logos on my personal laptop, my computer at the church, and also the computer in my home office... if i switch one (say the one at the church) to the Beta, will that switch them all?  or just that specific computer only?

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Tom Philpot (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 30 2010 12:12 PM

It only affects that computer, so you can switch just one.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 30 2010 12:12 PM

Pastor Bob Turner:
Oh so we CAN go back to a non-Beta then?  well that changes everything.  Yes

To clarify what Cameron said. You can't downgrade Logos.

So if you are using 4.0 stable, and then start using 4.1 beta 1, you cannot go back to 4.0 unless you completely reinstall. Even if they release 4.0a after 4.1beta1, you'll not be able to use it. You'll only be able to go back to a stable build once 4.1 stable comes out.

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