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Murray W | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Nov 3 2010 3:24 AM

… is up on Biblegateway.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=genesis%201&version=NIV

Is there a plan to get this on Logos any time soon? It would be great if we could have an Anglicised version available as well (which we didn't get with the TNIV).

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 3 2010 3:33 AM

Hi Murray

This has been discussed in a couple of threads recently - http://community.logos.com/forums/t/24932.aspx and http://community.logos.com/forums/p/21050/157774.aspx.

In http://community.logos.com/forums/p/24932/184976.aspx#184976, Alan refers to an Anglicised version.

I haven't seen anything from Logos as to when / if this will be available.

Graham

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Paul T. McCain | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 3 2010 8:08 AM

Is anyone aware of whether or not Zondervan has released a detailed description of the changes they have made to the NIV?

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Jon | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 3 2010 8:12 AM

Zondervan are the North American publisher but have nothing to do with the actual translation.

For notes from the translation committee see http://www.biblica.com/niv/accuracy/

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 3 2010 8:53 AM

Jon:

For notes from the translation committee see http://www.biblica.com/niv/accuracy/

Thanks for that link. Very informative details - gives me a bit more confidence in the NIV 2011.

Donnie

 

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 3 2010 8:56 AM

Here are some changes they HAVEN'T made.

http://awilum.com/?p=1449

http://danielomcclellan.wordpress.com/2010/11/01/niv-2011/

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 3 2010 9:03 AM

Better link- Collection of a lot of responses and analysis.

http://nearemmaus.wordpress.com/2010/11/01/niv-around-the-blogosphere/

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Quipper | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 6 2010 8:42 AM

To Whom It May Concern at Logos,

If I ever cite any iteration of the NIV, it is the 1984 NIV, and I have recently begun denoting it as such (I have memorized all of Ps. 119, Malachi, Mark, Romans, Titus, and James in the 1984 NIV. I hated the TNIV, and having reviewed the 2010 NIV don't like that much better--this is largely due to the changes in gender language).

I know the 2010 NIV will be available in Logos at some point, which is fine. The reason I'm posting now is to present my plea for the 1984 NIV to remain in my software. I doubt I'm the only one who will wish to cite that edition of the NIV in years to come. Perhaps it could just be designated '1984 NIV' or 'NIV--1984.'

I know: theoretically we've all paid for the older edition, so you can't take it away. But stranger things have happened in my life, and I thought it might be prudent to get a response from someone 'in the know.' Wink

Thanks!

UPDATE: I now see Todd hoping for the same thing here: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/25763/190322.aspx#190322 but I would still appreciate a response....

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 6 2010 10:03 AM

Quipper:
(I have memorized all of Ps. 119, Malachi, Mark, Romans, Titus, and James in the 1984 NIV.

That is my biggest complaint with all the versions updating and fine-tuning. I wish I had limited my memorization to one version over the years. When I start quoting I even butcher longer passages because I memorized them in KJV, NASB and maybe a third. My quoting ends up being a mixture of all the versions.  It is worse than the updated words in a modernized hymnal. Music

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 6 2010 11:06 AM

Quipper:
The reason I'm posting now is to present my plea for the 1984 NIV to remain in my software.

I'm no authority on this, but I can't imagine the 2011 NIV will supplant the 1984 NIV simply because too many churches and individuals will be using the 84 version for quite some time. The 84 NIV is still the most widely sold version in the U.S. To simply replace it, would be to invite discontent, something neither the translation committee, nor Zondervan (among others) is willing to risk, especially after the uproar caused by the TNIV.

But that's just an opinion. I'm right of course Wink, but it's still just an opinion.

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Mark Stevens | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 6 2010 1:14 PM

Paul T. McCain:

Is anyone aware of whether or not Zondervan has released a detailed description of the changes they have made to the NIV?

I have a link on my blog if you're interested http://revdmarkstevens.wordpress.com/2010/11/05/updates-to-the-niv-2011-comparison-page/

 

The gentlemen to whose page I link has spent a lot of time comparing all the changes. It really is a great achievement.

 

I think over time the NIV 2011 will overtake the NIV 84 but it will take time. The 84 version and the TNIV will be pulled from sale so those whom want NIVs will have to buy the update. At the end of the day, most people wont care if it is an update. The 84 was itself and update of the original version.

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 6 2010 2:40 PM

Richard DeRuiter:
I'm no authority on this, but I can't imagine the 2011 NIV will supplant the 1984 NIV simply because too many churches and individuals will be using the 84 version for quite some time

I agree, assuming that there is not the same sort of backlash as the TNIV suffered, the transition will take years... It took me 10 years to get a hardcopy 1995 NASB and another 3 before I started using it as my 'preaching' Bible. There are a lot of NIV users out there any very few will be changing simply because a new version is available as there current Bible will still have some mileage left in it.

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Edwin Bowden | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 6 2010 7:00 PM

It appears that many of the changes simply incorporates the TNIV translation:

http://www.slowley.com/niv2011_comparison/most_changed_verses.html

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Mark Stevens | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 7 2010 1:18 AM

Edwin Bowden:

It appears that many of the changes simply incorporates the TNIV translation:

http://www.slowley.com/niv2011_comparison/most_changed_verses.html

It does but as I noticed this morning it also reverts to the original 84 version at many points also.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 7 2010 7:10 AM

Graham Owen:
very few will be changing simply because a new version is available as there current Bible will still have some mileage left in it.

Just slightly off-topic here but you sparked my memory;

My wife has two Bibles (a heavy, large print one for daily use and a smaller one for church.) Every year I buy her a new Bible for daily reading because she literally wears out her "daily" Bible. Last January  I bought her the "Bible Study" base package in Logos.  It took a few months to convince her that computer based Bible study is a good thing. She uses her Logos every day (several times a day) and her "daily reading" Bible is still in good condition. I wonder how long the large Bible will last and how soon I will have to replace her netbook.

Incidentally, with all the versions available to her she still reads KJV. Though she is impressed with the Reverse Interlinears.

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 7 2010 7:10 AM

I am a PK.  When I graduated from high school I got a KJV Thompson Chain Reference Bible for graduation.  When I started college (1971) and began to study Greek, I began to mark up my KJV so that it would line up with the Greek text I was using.  Then I discovered the NASB.  I could study/read it without marking it all up, because in my opinion, it was already a good translation of the text. Then when I went to seminary one of my professors was on the translating team of the NIV and I discovered a translation geared for public/speed reading, which I have used since, as my carry around paper Bible, but still using NASB (or ESV) for study.  With the introduction of the new NIV, I fear if I use, it I will be going back 40 years and have a Bible I will have to mark up to get it to agree (in my opinion) with the Greek text.  I think I'll pass.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 7 2010 1:09 PM

Jerry M:

When I graduated from high school I got a KJV Thompson Chain Reference Bible for graduation.  When I started college (1971) and began to study Greek, I began to mark up my KJV so that it would line up with the Greek text I was using.  Then I discovered the NASB.  I could study/read it without marking it all up, because in my opinion, it was already a good translation of the text.

And what Greek text were you using to mark up your Bible?

[Just asking if Jerry is aware of the Greek versions controversy - not trying to resolve it]

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 7 2010 3:17 PM

David Ames:

And what Greek text were you using to mark up your Bible?

[Just asking if Jerry is aware of the Greek versions controversy - not trying to resolve it]

Of course Jerry was using the inspired one! Big Smile Zip it!

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Robert Slowley | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 7 2010 3:18 PM

Mark - I didn't actually spend a lot of time comparing all the changes as such, but I did spend a lot of time writing the computer program that does it! I have only been to sleep for about 4-5 hours a night since Monday, but I think it's mostly done now!

 

 

Edwin - Just so you know, there are now pages instead of just the previous one you linked to:

The top 500 most changed verses (NIV1984 to NIV2011):

http://www.slowley.com/niv2011_comparison/most_changed_verses_niv1984.html

 

The top 500 most changed verses (TNIV to NIV2011)

http://www.slowley.com/niv2011_comparison/most_changed_verses_tniv.html

 

There are some statistics on the front page you might like to look at:

http://www.slowley.com/niv2011_comparison/

 

Particularly:

Compared to the NIV1984: 19030 verses (61.1%) are the same, and 12055 verses (38.8%) differ.

Compared to the TNIV: 28595 verses (91.9%) are the same, and 2490 verses (8.0%) differ.

 

 

Mark - You can see a complete list of the places where it reverts to the NIV1984 (over the TNIV) here:

http://www.slowley.com/niv2011_comparison/uses_niv1984_text.html

 

Along with a complete list of the places where it uses novel text (not found in the TNIV or NIV1984):

http://www.slowley.com/niv2011_comparison/new_text_in_niv2011.html

 

Overall it uses the TNIV text over the NIV1984 text in 9736 verses (31.3% of verses).

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 7 2010 3:24 PM

Robert Slowley:
Edwin - Just so you know, there are now pages instead of just the previous one you linked to:

Awesomely Cool!   Yes Cool I am marking this post as a favorite. Thank you. Coffee

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