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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 14 2013 12:18 PM

DMB:

I hope the sheep page goes away so we can see what George is discussing.

Denise, sometimes you lose me—"sheep page"?

george
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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 14 2013 12:20 PM

Sorry George .... when you go to the Logos page, the example jpg images are missing. Each one leads to 'Are you lost?' with a sheep.

I think your question is good; I'd probably buy both just to get 1 early maybe.

EDIT: OK .... the sheep went back to pasture. Looking at the jpgs the german looks to be pretty dense (for dense me). Some of the sections in vol 3 are very usable without english.  I guess it would depend on the price of 'both'.

"God will save his fallen angels and their broken wings He'll mend."

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 14 2013 12:20 PM

David J. Wilson:

Now might be a good time to add a German Dictionary/Lexicon integrated with Logos..... Confused

Hear, hear !  Yes  Yes Two thumbs up !

george
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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 14 2013 12:29 PM

DMB:

Sorry George .... when you go to the Logos page, the example jpg images are missing. Each one leads to 'Are you lost?' with a sheep.

I think your question is good; I'd probably buy both just to get 1 early maybe.

Thanks for the clarification.  Sometimes my jokes are a bit obtuse as well.  Example:  Saying "goodbye"—"Ethiopia" which is the modern name for "Abysinnia" which sounds like "I'll be seeing you."

george
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Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 14 2013 4:09 PM

Pages are fixed ... sorry to lead you astray!

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 14 2013 4:38 PM

Thank you Ben!  And feel free to sign up to the pre-pub. We need some serous 'help' on this one.

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 14 2013 4:45 PM

DMB:
We need some serous 'help' on this one.

Agreed

I'm in but I'm also really hoping ppl would see the need for Lewis and Short's

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 30 2013 8:35 AM

Hmmm .... looks like Beloved's having more luck with Lewis/Short then us Billerbeck'ers.

But for those continuing to wonder 'Strack'?? ('Strack while the iron's hot!' as they say on the Angelina in east Texas), today I started out in N.T.Wright's 'Resurrection of the Son of God' (which is on sale right now).  

Wright was loquaciously wound up on 'Hades' so I had to 'check him out' doing a Logos search on 'gates NEAR Hades'. That led me to 3 Maccabees 5.51. Which in turn sounded a whole lot like Luke 16:23 (Eliezar vs the rich man).

That in turn led to the next question 'angels picking people up' with no apparent death, which Fitzmyer does track to the Testaments of Asher (in addition to Wright's Roman/greek trail).

But significantly Fitzmyer points to Strack and Billerbeck 2.223-225 as to when the concept first shows up in the jewish writings. 

All of this train of curiousity occurred in a 3-5 minute period, but the trail 'went cold' at 'Str-B' as they say.

Need 'Str-B'!

PS'y: Logos is really unbelievable how fast you can move down rabbit-trails.  In the 'old days' I'd just continue in Wright.

"God will save his fallen angels and their broken wings He'll mend."

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 18 2014 7:10 AM

[quote user="George Somsel"] Saying "goodbye"—"Ethiopia" which is the modern name for "Abysinnia" which sounds like "I'll be seeing you.

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Hi George, I speak and read Amharic fluently  (Ethiopian language), but I couldn't understand what you mean, could you please clarify it?

Blessings in Christ.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 18 2014 7:36 AM

Tes ... it was a cute (and good) joke.

If you say 'a .... by ... syn ... i ... a'  very slowly, it sounds like 'I'll be see-ing ya'  (with a reminder of a 1940s song with a similar title).

"God will save his fallen angels and their broken wings He'll mend."

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 18 2014 6:54 PM

[quote user="Denise"]

Tes ... it was a cute (and good) joke.

If you say 'a .... by ... syn ... i ... a'  very slowly, it sounds like 'I'll be see-ing ya'  (with a reminder of a 1940s song with a similar title).

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Wow! thank you Denise for the clarification.

Blessings in Christ.

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Jacob Cerone | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 8 2021 4:11 AM

For those who are still interested in Strack and Billerbeck, volume three "should" be available in November.

https://www.logos.com/product/30801/commentary-on-the-new-testament-from-the-talmud-and-midrash

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 8 2021 8:16 AM

Someone convince me that, with the historical problems inherent in their method, this is worth the cost.  

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 8 2021 9:17 AM

Ben:

Someone convince me that, with the historical problems inherent in their method, this is worth the cost.  

I think of it like the Ancient Literature dataset or similar large datasets that group together related texts. It's then up to the scholar or reader to figure out if there might be a relationship or not, and if so, in what sense, and whether it is relevant or not. But the index can be useful to get you easier access to a good number of those texts that might be of interest.  

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 8 2021 9:49 AM

Agree with Devin. Though like a LOT of Biblical scholars, one first apologizes for its overwhelming assumptions. Then, build your house of cards with an air of complete confidence. 

I've had the german a while ... I have it, plus other loose-fits in CitedBys linked to my hebrew/greek/english ... Mishnah/Talmud, various jewish sources, the early fathers, and the apocrypha (OT/NT)-pseuepigrapha.

As a point, Strack & B link directly (commentary) but you get more value in a CitedBy.

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