SBLGNT - How do I find the 540 variations?

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Andreas Holmberg | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Nov 8 2010 4:07 AM

The information-page for the recently released SBLGNT says:

"Thus, the existence of an alternative critical text—the SBLGNT differs from the standard text in more than 540 variation units—will help to remind readers of the Greek New Testament that the text-critical task must continue"

I assume "standard text" refers to the NA/UBS.

It would be most interesting to be able to directly navigate to those 540 instances when the SBLGNT differs from the standard text.

Does anyone know if this is possible? Are the "540 variation units" listed somewhere?

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James Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2010 4:36 AM

Here's an analysis performed by Weiland Willker. It might provide some of the information you're looking for....0121.SBL-GNT-Analysis.pdf

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2010 5:22 AM

Thanks for the link James, an interesting analysis. I found the comic sans font to be distracting from the topic, though Hmm

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James Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2010 7:15 AM

Kevin Becker:

I found the comic sans font to be distracting from the topic, though Hmm

Hmmmm, didn't really bother me but if it really gives you gas, here's a little therapy: http://www.agencyfusion.com/intro/index2.html. Enjoy! Wink

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2010 8:00 AM

Andreas Holmberg:

It would be most interesting to be able to directly navigate to those 540 instances when the SBLGNT differs from the standard text.

Does anyone know if this is possible? Are the "540 variation units" listed somewhere?

Hi Andreas.

There are "more than 540 variation units". The best I can do with a search in Logos4 (at present) is to do a basic search of the apparatus resource (SBLGNTAPP) for:

(negapp:NIV OR negapp:NA) ANDNOT (posapp:NA)

The text behind the NIV and the NA/UBS texts are incredibly similar, to always include 'NA' and 'NIV' would clutter the apparatus a bit. So "NIV" can be assumed to represent the NA text as well unless the NA is explicitly cited. Holmes details this a bit more in the introduction.

This means that if we find all the places where the negative portion of the apparatus (the "negapp" field) contain either NIV or NA, we find all the places where NA disagrees with SBLGNT; but we also have the possibility of a negative NIV reading having a variation with the NA, so the NA listed in the positive portion of the apparatus (posapp field).

So a search for the above, which you could state in English as "where the negative apparatus cites NIV or NA and the positive apparatus does not cite NA" will give you the best listing. This returns 546 articles, 551 instances. That isn't perfect and I'm pretty sure I know why (has to do with how articles are defined) and I'm considering ways to make that a bit more clear. But that search should give you the nearest slice at what you're looking for.

If you use the "Make Filter" option in the search window, then you can create a visual filter to represent these hits in the apparatus. You could then style the visual filter to stand out (say, a red highlight or underline, or make the text red) so that you would see them in the apparatus when you're looking at the text.

Hope it helps.

Rick Brannan
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Andreas Holmberg | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2010 8:03 AM

James, thank you very much for pointing me to that link. It will be interesting reading.

And a big thank you to Weiland Willker for sharing! Great work!

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2010 10:15 AM

Rick Brannan:

The best I can do with a search in Logos4 (at present) is to do a basic search of the apparatus resource (SBLGNTAPP) for:

(negapp:NIV OR negapp:NA) ANDNOT (posapp:NA)

Rick

Thanks, I think this is really neat, be fantastic if you could then export the search as a verse list!

This is a definite reminder to me that no matter how much I think I understand searching there is always a way of doing something else with it!

The obvious next question has top be is there a way to create a visual filter for an English Bible that reflects the level of certainty that the experts have in the text that under pins it?

God Bless

Graham

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2010 10:26 AM

 

Graham Owen:
Thanks, I think this is really neat, be fantastic if you could then export the search as a verse list!

Graham

If you "Print/Export" the results of the search to the clipboard you are then able to create a Passage List and import the contents of the clipboard to it.

Does that help?

Graham

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2010 11:03 AM

Rick Brannan:
So a search for the above, which you could state in English as "where the negative apparatus cites NIV or NA and the positive apparatus does not cite NA" will give you the best listing. This returns 546 articles, 551 instances.

 

Hmm. I get 300 results in 150 articles. Am I doing this right or do we have a different database?

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2010 11:09 AM

Graham Criddle:
If you "Print/Export" the results of the search to the clipboard you are then able to create a Passage List and import the contents of the clipboard to it.

Hi Graham

That is so obvious I don't know why I did not think of it!

Thanks

God Bless

Graham

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2010 11:12 AM

Dominick Sela:
Hmm. I get 300 results in 150 articles.

You have an extra bracket

You need:

(negapp:NIV OR negapp:NA) ANDNOT (posapp:NA)

NOT

(negapp:NIV) OR negapp:NA) ANDNOT (posapp:NA)

God Bless

Graham

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 8 2010 11:32 AM

Oh that was dumb of me - thanks Graham!

 

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Andreas Holmberg | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 9 2010 11:57 AM

Thank you very much Rick! I read your reply only just now.

I would never have been able to figure out that search string. I now also made a visual filter. Great!

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 9 2010 2:31 PM

Graham Owen:
The obvious next question has top be is there a way to create a visual filter for an English Bible that reflects the level of certainty that the experts have in the text that under pins it?

I took the bait.  At least as it applies to the SBL apparatus. I followed all of the steps listed in this thread including making the passage list.  Then I used the passage list to do a search and then converted the search to a visual filter in the NIV.  It takes several minutes depending on your computer to do a   *  search and a visual filter so keep that in mind.  There may be a better way but this seem to work.  The search script is identical to the visual filter.  Click to enlarge.

 

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 9 2010 3:17 PM

The visual filter runs each time you open whatever Bible translation you have this filter in.  So if you have this filter checked on in that Bible, the highlighting will not show up for approximately 9 minutes after you open it.  So I would leave it off unless you are doing textual analysis.  It is interesting to be able to advance from highlight to highlight quickly and see the verses in context.

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 13 2010 1:48 PM

Jerry M:
I took the bait.  At least as it applies to the SBL apparatus.

Hi Jerry

Thanks for this you inspired me to dig a bit deeper into Logos so that I could create visual filters that would underline the texts based on the information from Metzger's Textual Commentary. I used a modified version of your process above and generated 3 searches of the footnotes that I then exported to Excel an imported via the clipboard into verse lists. I then use the verse lists in the visual filters to underline {A} verses with a Green Line, {B} verses with an Orange Line and {C} verses with a Red Line.

The filters take a while to load as per the one that you created but it is good to have them available and it was also fun drilling deeper into the way that these features in Logos 4 work. In case anyone is interested I have attached an Excel Spreadsheet with the verse lists in. This will be so much easier when we can swap Logos files.

 

1581.Textual Commentary Verses.xlsx 

God Bless

Graham

Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke

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