How to I find all occurrences of Christ quoting OT?

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Chad Dukes | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Nov 16 2010 2:15 PM

I have been searching the forum and the wiki for the last 30 minutes and while I am finding similar topics, I still have not been able to get anything that I have been able to use to generate a verse list of Christ's quotations of the OT. I know (e.g. HCSB) that there are search fields for OT Quotations as well as WOC - but how do I get all references regardless of a particular word within the quotation?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 16 2010 3:16 PM

The way to get a passage (verse) list is to perform a wild card * Bible Search but select OT Quotation instead of All Bible Text.

It will take a long time, so you might want to generate it a book at a time eg. Matthew, then Mark etc.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 16 2010 3:22 PM

Wow, that's great Dave. How did you know Holman had a search field for OT Text - have you just looked through them all or is there a list somewhere?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 16 2010 3:30 PM

Dominick Sela:
How did you know Holman had a search field for OT Text - have you just looked through them all or is there a list somewhere?

I added a list of fields to the wiki once: http://wiki.logos.com/Search_Fields_List

The easiest way to see which resources support which field is to search all resources for a word like 'the' using that field, then display by book.

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Chad Dukes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 16 2010 3:31 PM

I actually did that but it was taking so long that I thought it was an "infinite loop" bug or something like that. I will limit the range and then let it run. Thanks a lot Dave!

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 16 2010 3:32 PM

Chad Dukes:
I have been searching the forum and the wiki for the last 30 minutes and while I am finding similar topics, I still have not been able to get anything that I have been able to use to generate a verse list of Christ's quotations of the OT. I know (e.g. HCSB) that there are search fields for OT Quotations as well as WOC - but how do I get all references regardless of a particular word within the quotation?

ot-quote:* WITHIN 0 WORDS words-of-christ:* ought to work, but it's far too slow. Five minutes and counting, and I only chose Matthew 1-2 as a test! Better to run the two separately, save to a passage list, then merge the two lists, I think.

<edit>Restricting my search to Matthew 1-2 was pretty stupid. I'm trying again with Luke 4.</edit>

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 16 2010 4:00 PM

Mark:

I tried "ot-quote:*" on the gospels - it took forever.

I then tried "ot-quote:the" on the same range and it completed in 2.03 seconds.

 

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Ralph Mauch | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 16 2010 4:10 PM

Dave Hooton:
you might want to generate it a book at a time eg. Matthew

Yes, a book at a time works best, thanks for the tip Dave, but I'll not give up using (Beale, G. K., & Carson, D. A. (2007). Commentary on the New Testament use of the Old Testament. Grand Rapids, MI; Nottingham, UK: Baker Academic; Apollos.)

 

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Ralph Mauch | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 16 2010 4:38 PM

I was not able to return only "words of Christ" from "OT quotes"... still trying, but will take a hint if anyone has figured it out.

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Ralph Mauch | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 16 2010 8:24 PM

Mark Barnes:
ot-quote:* WITHIN 0 WORDS words-of-christ:* ought to work, but it's far too slow

I got this back with your search criteria, I thought I was missing some, so I tried it with "All Biblical Text" and had the same results. Some how I can't believe that's all there is? Good practice with doing searches if nothing else. For folks who want to try some of these,  I would recommend you check out the wiki that Mark was pointing to.

 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 16 2010 10:11 PM

I was thinking there ought to be a way to do this by starting with one of the following Bible Harmony resources:

  • Old Testament Quotations and Allusions in the New Testament (David A. Jones)
  • Old Testament Quotes in the New Testament (H. David Philipps)

You'd need to somehow create a Passage List out of it, and then intersect that with a Passage List made up of all the words of Christ and you'd have your answer. I've got a words of Christ PL, but generating a PL of all the Scripture references in an entire book isn't as easy as it sounds. You can't actually select an entire book at once (it seems like you can, if you click at the top, scroll to the bottom, and shift click at the bottom, but if you back up a bit you realize only the last section of the book ended up being selected). This is for copyright reasons. However you can go into Print/Export, click a checkmark in every single section of the book, and export to a text document, then create a PL from that text document. I think that will work, however it's taking such a long time I'm not going to wait around and see if it works.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 16 2010 11:06 PM

Ralph Mauch:
I got this back with your search criteria,

You were close Ralph. You were already searching WOC so you only need the term for OT Quotes:-

Forget the Passage List! Note that this search took as long as my original search above.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 16 2010 11:44 PM

Dave Hooton:

It will take a long time, so you might want to generate it a book at a time eg. Matthew, then Mark etc.

It may take a very long time but do it in one go (ie. the New Testament) because generating a Passage List from the search also takes a long time. You should get 4322 results in 290 verses. The search took about 5 minutes on my quad core Desktop.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 17 2010 1:07 AM

Ralph Mauch:
Some how I can't believe that's all there is?

It's not all there is. Luke 4 definitely has more examples, and I'm sure there are other places. I don't know why they're not being picked up.

<edit>The problem is simple. Most of the OT quotations in Luke 4 are not tagged as such, despite appearing in bold. I'm going to report this as a typo.</edit>

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 17 2010 11:45 AM

Dave Hooton:

Dave Hooton:

It will take a long time, so you might want to generate it a book at a time eg. Matthew, then Mark etc.

It may take a very long time but do it in one go (ie. the New Testament) because generating a Passage List from the search also takes a long time. You should get 4322 results in 290 verses. The search took about 5 minutes on my quad core Desktop.

 

I got 4,588 results in 290 verses, not 4322. Did I do the same search as you?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 17 2010 5:10 PM

Dominick Sela:
I got 4,588 results in 290 verses, not 4322. Did I do the same search as you?

Yes, you did. And I got the same result in both 4.1 and 4.2 beta on two computers. My HCSB is version 2009-10-26T21:09:50Z HCSB.logos4.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 18 2010 2:03 AM

Dave Hooton:

Dominick Sela:
I got 4,588 results in 290 verses, not 4322. Did I do the same search as you?

Yes, you did. And I got the same result in both 4.1 and 4.2 beta on two computers. My HCSB is version 2009-10-26T21:09:50Z HCSB.logos4.

Dave, did you get the same result as Dominick, or the same result as yourself (if you see what I mean!). I had 4,588, in an 'impressive' 149s.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 18 2010 3:30 AM

Mark Barnes:
Dave, did you get the same result as Dominick, or the same result as yourself (if you see what I mean!). I had 4,588, in an 'impressive' 149s.

I still get 4322 results in an impressive 105s! Do you have the same version of HCSB?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 18 2010 3:40 AM

Yes I do. I also have match case OFF, and match all word forms ON.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 18 2010 4:01 AM

That doesn't make any difference for me (and shouldn't!). I'm rebuilding the library index as the results highlighting is suspect, which indicates it hasn't counted the words that should have been highlighted.

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