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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Nov 19 2010 1:20 AM

I'm conscious that there are lots of little undocumented features in Logos. What's your favourite little feature that most users won't know about? Here's mine:

  • You can not only search WITHIN WORDS, but WITHIN CHARS.
  • SHIFT+dragging a tab moves the entire panel, not just the current tab (and CTRL+drag copies the current tab, and SHIFT+CTRL+drag copies the entire panel).
  • And my new-found favourite: double-clicking the empty space in the tab bar (next to the plus) opens up the next parallel resource in a new tab.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 19 2010 1:25 AM

I find that clicking the middle mouse button on a tab to close it is much more useful than I thought it would be!

 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 19 2010 2:22 AM

My favorite undocumented feature is Facilitate Serendipitous Discovery (FSD).

It's not undocumented, but I'd never learned it before. Dave Hooton mentioned recently that you can use BEFORE 2-2 WORDS to ensure exact proximity, which is a special case of BEFORE x-y WORDS to give a proxmity range. That bit is mentioned in the wiki under Search_HELP, but it's quite buried. I'd read that page several times and never picked this up before. In fact, none of the search syntax is explained in the Help file.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 19 2010 3:47 AM

Rosie Perera:
That bit is mentioned in the wiki under Search_HELP, but it's quite buried. I'd read that page several times and never picked this up before

That's because I added it when Dave mentioned it, because I didn't know about it before, either!

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 19 2010 4:22 AM

Mark Barnes:
  • And my new-found favourite: double-clicking the empty space in the tab bar (next to the plus) opens up the next parallel resource in a new tab).
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    This is SO COOL! Thanks Mark!

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    Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 19 2010 4:23 AM

    I keep this search on my shortcut bar.  It allows me to look, by hovering, at every English translation on a short or long passage quickly.  Then I can click on any or all I am interested in looking at by simply clicking on it and it opens in another panel.  There is no quicker way that I know to see quickly what every translation says about your passage of interest. The verse you click on is also the verse it opens to.  To look at long chapter in the text comparison tool using every English Bible wouldn't allow you to quickly see differences in certain verses, but you can use both methods side by side or use multiple text comparisons with different collections, but if you are in a hurry, this method is fast.

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    Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 19 2010 4:51 AM

    I know this isn't a feature, it's closer to an Easter egg. But I've noticed that sometimes when I click to get any resources information and the screen rotates you get a quick glimpse of this strange colored background (it seems to happen randomly and doesn't happen often). To me it appears to be snow covered trees (and maybe a swan??).  Does anyone else see this? Or am I going crazy?

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    Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 19 2010 4:56 AM

    Mark Barnes:

  • You can not only search WITHIN WORDS, but WITHIN CHARS.
  • That's new to me!

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    Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 19 2010 4:58 AM

    Joshua Garcia:
    I know this isn't a feature, it's closer to an Easter egg. But I've noticed that sometimes when I click to get any resources information and the screen rotates you get a quick glimpse of this strange colored background (it seems to happen randomly and doesn't happen often). To me it appears to be snow covered trees (and maybe a swan??).  Does anyone else see this? Or am I going crazy?

    It's a Mac feature. It's Narnia.

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    Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 19 2010 5:02 AM

    Dave Hooton:

    Mark Barnes:

  • You can not only search WITHIN WORDS, but WITHIN CHARS.
  • That's new to me!

    Bradley mentioned it yesterday. Had you tried it earlier, or is it new?

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    Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 19 2010 5:11 AM

    Mark Barnes:

    Joshua Garcia:
    I know this isn't a feature, it's closer to an Easter egg. But I've noticed that sometimes when I click to get any resources information and the screen rotates you get a quick glimpse of this strange colored background (it seems to happen randomly and doesn't happen often). To me it appears to be snow covered trees (and maybe a swan??).  Does anyone else see this? Or am I going crazy?

    It's a Mac feature. It's Narnia.

    Thanks for the link to the thread. That's interesting indeed. Is there any other Easter eggs I should know about?

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    Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 19 2010 5:14 AM

    Mark Barnes:

    Dave Hooton:

    Mark Barnes:

  • You can not only search WITHIN WORDS, but WITHIN CHARS.
  • That's new to me!

    Bradley mentioned it yesterday. Had you tried it earlier, or is it new?

    I remember someone explicitly telling us that the CHARS proximity measure hadn't been implemented in L4; it was only in L3. But I guess now it is in L4 too.

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    Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 19 2010 5:23 AM

    Jerry M:
    I keep this search on my shortcut bar.  It allows me to look, by hovering, at every English translation on a short or long passage quickly.

    Clever! Are you positive that search will find every verse? I thought I'd come up with an example of one it would skip: John 11:35 ("Jesus wept" in most translations). But it does get picked up because some translations have it as "And Jesus wept." But couldn't there be a verse which really doesn't have any of those words in it, in any translation, that we just haven't thought of yet? I suppose if you ever found one, you could just add one more word from that verse to your search string.

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    Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 19 2010 5:34 AM

    Mark Barnes:
    Bradley mentioned it yesterday. Had you tried it earlier, or is it new?

    I hadn't tried it  because the functionality of real Words was what I had wanted for so long with L3! Not being a Mac person, I hadn't seen Bradley's post; so he'll be the one to state how long it has been available. There are some other undocumented search features but, again, Bradley is the man to talk about their status.

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    Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 19 2010 5:42 AM

    Dumb question: Why would any software have undocumented features?

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    Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 19 2010 6:04 AM

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undocumented_feature

    In Logos' case, I think it's mainly due to that lack of investment in documentation. That sometimes frustrates me, but it's partly justified by the fact that not many people read it anyway, partly because documentation is less necessary when a program is as intuitive as Logos (though opinions will vary on that point), and partly because the company have invested significantly in encouraging 'self-help' through the forums, wiki and blog.

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    Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 19 2010 6:05 AM

    Paul Golder:

    Dumb question: Why would any software have undocumented features?

    In the case of Logos, search operators and search syntax are not documented - we're still running blind on what is a valid query with the operators we know about from the wiki!

    For the most part, an undocumented feature tends to so esoteric that only geeks would want to know (the developers may not even know!).

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    Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 19 2010 6:31 AM

    Mark Barnes:
    partly because the company have invested significantly in encouraging 'self-help' through the forums, wiki and blog

    Dave Hooton:
    an undocumented feature tends to so esoteric that only geeks would want to know

    Is there a wiki page for undocumented features?

    Perhaps a section of the wiki devoted to documentation in general (for us strange types that like to read the manual...)?

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    Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 19 2010 7:57 AM

    Dave Hooton:
    For the most part, an undocumented feature tends to so esoteric that only geeks would want to know (the developers may not even know!).

    I am hoping the developers are leaving enough comments within the code for future programmers to know what is going on.  They are,  aren't they? Indifferent

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    Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 19 2010 7:59 AM

    Jerry M:
    I keep this search on my shortcut bar.

    There is another way to accomplish something like this by using the Text Comparison tool. First create a collection of the Bibles you want to compare. Next open text compare and select that collection in the drop down version list. Now drag the text compare tab to Favorites. Next drag from Favorites to the menu bar and drop.

    To activate this you have to click on the new Menu Bar icon, once Text Compare opens you will see the standard Bibles list, click on the icon again and it will switch to the list you saved before. I don't know why it works like this (it is undocumented) but it does. Unfortunately you cannot force Text Compare to open to the panel of your choice.

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