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Pastor James | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Dec 13 2010 6:19 PM

What can you do and not do with an IPAD both with or without an internet connection, compared to what you can do with a computer both with and without an internet connection?

Thanks

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Dr. Charles A. Wootten | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 13 2010 7:59 PM

James, I do have L4 on a Netbook which gives some additional functionality over an iPad. However, the ease of use when using resources or personal notes when speaking or teaching on a lighter piece of hardware is what makes me happy. I can read books at leisure that I'd not normally do on either a desktop or a laptop. I can take training videos with me to review again and again as needed (sometimes converted into MP4 with a program called Handbrake). The battery lasts a little longer than a Netbook or laptop, a factor that allows great latitude in longer study periods. I also take it to church to practice reading Greek or Hebrew, and even Latin, depending on the sermon's passage along with a few favorite resources in case rabbit trails occur to me during the sermon.Our sanctuary has wireless access so I can do word studies or passage studies if needed, but rarely do.

Without an Internet connection the only thing that is missed, but rarely used, as mentioned, is searching or word studies or something similar that requires connections to the Logos servers. I rarely use these functions on the iPad simply because I've pretty much planned what I am going to do when I get to wherever I'm going. If there is a resource I'm particularly interested in, then I simply download it prior to going into a dead zone.

I don't take pictures. My cellular telephone is over 5 years old (which drives Verizon up the wall). I don't do a lot of stuff with the tiny toys including playing games (1 Cor 13:11), but I do like this iPad. What would be even more fun is the KNO, but I fear that the cost is prohibitive with respect to my lovely wife...heheheh...even though it took months of wheeling and dealing to finally get the iPad. Big Smile However, the KNO doesn't seem to have a LOGOS app and that loses me as a potential customer.

God bless

{charley}

running Logos Bible Software 6.0a: Collector's Edition on HP e9220y (AMD Phenom II X4 2.60GHz 8.00GB 64-bit Win 7 Pro SP1) & iPad (mini) apps.

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Pastor James | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 13 2010 8:16 PM

So can I only do with the IPAD what I can do with my IPOD Touch?

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 13 2010 9:49 PM

I enjoy using my iPad for reading - WAY better than reading on an iPod touch (too small). If you DL the Logos App, you have access to the majority of your books. You can DL any book directly onto the iPad so you don't need to stay connected to the internet to get them to show.

I have seen people with netbooks, but those things IMO are fairly slow handling L4. On the go it is rare that I ever need the full capabilities of L4. I want a BIG screen and a FAST processor for studying and a very light and easy to hold tablet for casual "couch" reading (I want to read as if I am reading a paper book). A netbook fails at both of these.

Also, the iPad is the best for searching the internet and checking my e-mail. The touch interface is very fluid. It just feels so nice in my hands.

Your best bet is to go to your local Apple store and actually handle one. They have several on display that you can play with.

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 14 2010 1:31 AM

James Alexander:

So can I only do with the IPAD what I can do with my IPOD Touch?

Yes. It is the same program.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 14 2010 9:28 AM

Damian McGrath:

James Alexander:

So can I only do with the IPAD what I can do with my IPOD Touch?

Yes. It is the same program.

Please keep in mind we have been told with the complete rewriting of the program, more features will be added soon, including a promised split screen. Now on your touch it will be handy for referencing longer passages but on the iPad it will be a very useful feature. I would suspect all iPad Logos advantages to be screen size related.

-dan

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Daniel Denham | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 14 2010 1:23 PM

The iPad is simply easier and more discreet to use in the worship service than a notebook.  My wife never liked the idea of using a keyboard and a vertical screen because it seemed to disruptive to others in church.  However, she loves the iPad to follow the sermon.  Our church has wireless and she has access to various resources.  She goes online to get the sermon outline (in ppt) from our church's website and then uses the new iPad OS, which allows multi-tasking, to open a a Bible of her choice in Logos (or another app).  The other app allows a split screen with two resources viewable.  So, she can toggle between the sermon outline and the Bible app.  And she can add notes with the Bible app using iPad's virtual and silent keyboard.  The iPad weighs about one pound, which is lighter than her Ryrie study Bible.  I don't know much about Logos' newest iPad app and whatever enhancements have been made.  I hardly use it because she claimed it as hers after I ordered it, ha!  It arrived while I was on a two-week business trip.  I guess that's poor timing on my part, right?  But I am thrilled she loves it and uses it so much.  I never thought she'd be so fond of it.  I can go on about how she does all her email, Facebook, knitting patterns, and reading on it whevever she is.  Best "gift" I ever accidentally gave her!

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Donald G. Fisher | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 15 2010 4:59 AM

James,

About a year ago I was debating getting a netbook or the new iPad that had just been released.  As with others on here the Logos program or App was a major feature.  At that time I opted for a netbook since I could then use the Logos program and not just the App.  At that time it was the better decision because it also let me use powerpoint during Sunday school.  The battery life on my netbook can go up to 10 hours which means I can leave my A/C adapter at home.  If finances were looser I would seriously consider an iPad since reading my books on my iphone is adequate, is isn't necessarily the best.  I have been keeping an eye out for the Droid or PC tablets thinking I could get in a little cheaper but once you come close to having similiar hardware, the iPad is still a little more pricey but not incredibly.  I am thinking it would be awesome to have an iPad for the few times I may speak in a pulpit because a netbook would be distracting for myself and the congregation.  If I were making the same decision between a netbook and iPad I would lean closer to an iPad for sure.  The netbook is a fully functioning PC but since the processor isn't the same as a normal laptop, it is sluggish in many areas, including internet surfing and at times Logos.  Yes, I have upgraded to max out my memory.  I hope this gives you more information to base a decision on.  Plus, the iPads travel much easier.  If they had a video out on them, the decision would already be over.

Blessings from Maine,

Don

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Pastor James | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 15 2010 6:24 PM

I appreciate everyone's comments. If I'm understanding correctly when it comes to LOGOS,

1. The IPad has the same basic functionality as the Ipod touch

2. In an online mode you can do the same things with an IPAD that you can do with a laptop

3. In an offline mode, you cannot do searches or anything that requires a search, i.e. passage guides etc

Am I missing anything?

 

Again, thanks to everyone

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Dr. Charles A. Wootten | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 16 2010 6:18 AM

Daniel S. Denham:
The other app allows a split screen with two resources viewable.

What other app? I'd like to see 2 different screens!

thanX!!

{charley}

running Logos Bible Software 6.0a: Collector's Edition on HP e9220y (AMD Phenom II X4 2.60GHz 8.00GB 64-bit Win 7 Pro SP1) & iPad (mini) apps.

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Daniel Denham | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 17 2010 6:38 PM

Olive Tree.  I already had purchased some of its resources for my PDA.  So, I was able to bring them over to the iPad.  Of course, Olive Tree has many free resources as well.  You can visit the website and poke around.  The Logos app for the iPad is more robust in its capabilities than OT, but I think the user interface and split screen are much more friendly in OT.  It is real nice to have the tablet horizontal with two resources side by side, say, one a Bible and the other a commentary or the Bible study notes.  Resizing the font for readability is very quick.  It does not take the place of the PC, but is nice for its portability.

I thought I read that Logos was going to add split screen functionality, but the current v 1.5 does not have that ability.  I wish there were more/better videos on YouTube or Logos Support for iPad software demos.

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Dr. Charles A. Wootten | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 21 2010 6:30 AM

Daniel S. Denham:
Olive Tree.

Oh. I knew that. I have it. I must have been reading more into your comment than was actually there. I'd really like to use LOGOS in a split screen environment on the iPad. But, I am still grateful for what is already there.

{charley}

running Logos Bible Software 6.0a: Collector's Edition on HP e9220y (AMD Phenom II X4 2.60GHz 8.00GB 64-bit Win 7 Pro SP1) & iPad (mini) apps.

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Daniel Denham | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 21 2010 1:36 PM

Since this is a Logos forum, I did not want to mention a competitor's product by name without being asked.  I consider it poor form to use one forum to promote a competor's product.  I know that compassions can run high on all manner of products and services for and against.  I value Logos for setting up forums on its site to begin with.  As a capitalist, I love competition and open communication.  They serve as a vehicles to improve products and product choices.  In the end, I anticipate Logos developing a separate iPad app apart from an iPhone app.  When that happens, I think we'll see an improved user interface on the iPad.  Then it just may be no contest for others.  Did I mention what the capabilities of the iPad2, iPad3, and so on will be?  Actually, I think the iPad was developed as a niche tool.  Although some have been disappointed that the features of the iPad are not more similar to laptops (USB, camera, etc.), I believe Apple chose to opt for longer battery life and diminished features over the more powerful PC qualities.  Apple seems to be thinking two steps ahead, so I think it's reasonable to see an iPad2 in 2011 or 2012.   

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Dr. Charles A. Wootten | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 21 2010 3:39 PM

Daniel S. Denham:
I think it's reasonable to see an iPad2 in 2011 or 2012

I need to get max use out of this one before the next one jumps off the shelves. Your suggested time frame is much, much too early for me. My last laptop lasted eight years; the last desktop fell apart at a decade. heheh....

Still, I'm grateful for what Logos has done thus far with it and I can use it for what I need to do.

{charley}

running Logos Bible Software 6.0a: Collector's Edition on HP e9220y (AMD Phenom II X4 2.60GHz 8.00GB 64-bit Win 7 Pro SP1) & iPad (mini) apps.

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Scott S | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 22 2010 6:55 AM

James Alexander:

1. The IPad has the same basic functionality as the Ipod touch

2. In an online mode you can do the same things with an IPAD that you can do with a laptop

I have an iPod touch and have read many, buy not all of the posts on that forum. From what I read, the functionality of the iPod and iPad is roughly the same with the Logos App, except for screen size.  So I agree with #1.  But if that is correct, then your point #2 is wrong!  The iPod functions are definitely a subset of L4 on a laptop PC.

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Daniel Denham | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 24 2010 12:52 PM

I think it is important to mention here, since many will read this who do not own an iPad, that apps written for an iPod will run on an iPad.  However, apps written exclusively for an iPad will not run on an iPod.  The current Logos app is designed to run on both iPod and iPad.  That is probably the most efficient use of time and talent at Logos for now. Scott is correct about #2.  The correct answer is more like, you can do many of the things in an online mode . . .   Additionally, be aware that some resources are currently not available for the iPad such as the NIV Bible.  I also did not find how to pull up my templates for various studies created on the PC.  If you only need partial functionality, the iPad is fine.  Again, I say the iPad is a niche tool - excellent for what it is designed for.  For robust Bible study, I'd do it on a PC and I think everyone will agree. 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 24 2010 1:54 PM

Likewise enjoy iPad for reading.  In a worship service, appreciate iPad offline Logos capability to quickly go to a verse, then use library to switch version (dreaming of split screen with 2 versions side by side).

Concur desktop Logos 4 has more capabilities than iPad online.

Dr. Charles A. Wootten:

Daniel S. Denham:
I think it's reasonable to see an iPad2 in 2011 or 2012

I need to get max use out of this one before the next one jumps off the shelves. 

Reading rumors about iPad 2 production - anticipating public availability within 4 months - pictures of cases for iPad 2 showing camera hole on back.

Potential "max use" for current iPad is donation to favorite Pastor.

Keep Smiling Smile

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