Christmas 2010 Master Collection (2,010 vols.) A GREAT Bargain!

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Bryan O Clements | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 22 2010 7:35 PM

Does anyone know when this will be available for download.  I see that the Pub date keeps moving.  It was originally the 21st and then the 22nd and now the 23rd. 

I am like a kid waiting on Christmas, can't wait to get my hands on them.

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Praiser | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 22 2010 7:44 PM

Bryan O Clements:

I am like a kid waiting on Christmas, can't wait to get my hands on them.

 

Yes, I am waiting with great anticipation too! Big Smile 

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Jonathan Burke | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2010 12:20 AM

Thanks for the helpful clarification Dan and Praiser. I agree the value in this bundle is good, I just have to work out what there is that I really need.

Edit: Ok, having checked I see what you mean. Although I already have a number of the collections you list, that still leaves these.

* Theology and Doctrine Collection (16 vols.) 209.95 USD

* Origins of Ancient Israelite Religion Collection (8 vols.) 169.95 USD

* Sheffield/T & T Clark Bible Guides Collection (44 vols.) 849.95 USD

* Studies in Jesus and the Gospels (23 vols.) 349.95 USD

* Library of NT Studies: JSNTS on Paul (17 vols.) 899.95 USD

A number of these are on my wish list, and two of them are big ticket items. There are also these incomplete collections which are still good value and also on my wish list.

* SNTW Collection (7 vols.) 135.95 USD (5 volumes)

* Socio-Rhetorical Commentary Series (SRC) (8 vols.)  149.99 USD (4 volumes)

I actually own just over half of the volumes in the Pauline Studies Library (35 vols.), and was already thinking of haggling for a good price for that collection then haggling for a good price on the Library of NT Studies: JSNTS on Paul (17 vols.), collection afterwards (since I would then have just over half of that collectoion as well). Picking up the 2010 Master collection may be a more efficient means to the same end. On the other hand, isn't there a 'build your own' 50% off sale? I may be better off being more selective.

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Armin | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2010 8:40 AM

Praiser,

Logos should pay you a commission. Your write-up convinced me to go for the Master Collection even though I voiced my concern about the partial collections in other threads.

Armin

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Praiser | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2010 8:58 AM

Armin:

Praiser,

Logos should pay you a commission. Your write-up convinced me to go for the Master Collection even though I voiced my concern about the partial collections in other threads.

Armin

 

I personally think this is a GREAT Collection, and I'm THRILLED that Logos has given us this opportunity. After spending the time on doing my "homework" and creating the comparison chart, it made me even more excited about it!  I didn't want anyone to miss out because they didn't have the time to sort it all out.

I have now found all of the following collections fully represented (no volumes missing) in the Master Collection:

B&H Baptist History Collection (11 vols.)
Black's New Testament Commentary (BNTC) (13 vols.)
Calvin and the History of Calvinism Collection (31 vols.)
Canon Press Biblical Studies Collection (6 vols.)
Christian Life Collection (14 vols.)
College Press Biblical Studies Collection (6 vols.)
Day One Biblical and Theological Studies Collection (24 vols.)
Deuteronomistic History Collection (5 vols.)
Douglas Wilson Collection (17 vols.)
Early Church History Collection (7 vols.)
Hebrew History (3 vols.)
J. Dwight Pentecost Collection  (11 Vols.)
Kress Biblical Studies Collection (8 vols.)
Library of Hebrew Bible/OT Studies: JSOTS on Torah (6 vols.)
Library of NT Studies: JSNTS on Paul (17 vols.)
Library of NT Studies: JSNTS on the Gospels and Acts (16 vols.)
Matt Waymeyer Collection (2 vols.)
Old Testament Studies Series Collection (8 vols.)
Origins of Ancient Israelite Religion Collection (8 vols.)
Oswald Chambers Collection  (24 vols.)
Pastoral Ministry Collection (13 vols.)
Second Temple Period Collection (19 vols.)
Sheffield/T & T Clark Bible Guides Collection (44 vols.)  
Studies in Jesus and the Gospels (23 vols.)
Studies on Deuteronomy (3 vols.)
Summa Theologica: English and Latin Bundle (30 vols.)
The Anabaptists (2 vols.)
Theology and Doctrine Collection (16 vols.)
Understanding the Old Testament (2 vols.)
Walk! Messianic Jewish Devotional Commentary Collection (5 vols.)

 

I am still updating my file and will post it again with the additional work that I have done on it.   (I am continuing  to sort out the collections in preparation for the download and creating collections in L4)

The following collection are also partially represented in the Master Collection:

A. W. Tozer Collection (57 vols.)   --  Missing 5 volumes
Abraham Kuyper Collection (3 vols.)   --  Missing 1 volume
B&H Marriage and Family Collection (19 vols.)   --  Missing 4 volumes
B. B. Warfield Collection (20 vols.)   --  Missing 6 volumes
Biblical Counseling Collection (30 vols.)    --  Missing 5 volumes
Catholic Spirituality Collection (12 vols.)   --  Missing 7 volumes
Cecil Sherman Formations Commentary (5 vols.)   --  Missing 4 volumes
Charles Spurgeon Collection (86 vols.)   --  Missing 46 volumes
Contemporary Theology Collection (6 vols.)   --  Missing 2 volumes
Eerdmans Bible Reference Collection (5 vols.)   --  Missing 2 volumes
Evangelism Collection (11 vols.)   --  Missing 1 volume
Hermeneutics and Interpretation Bundle (3 vols.)   --  Missing 1 volume
History of Israel Collection (19 vols.)   --  Missing 13 volumes
John Piper Collection (24 vols.)   --  Missing 3 volumes
Judaism and Christianity Collection (7 vols.)    --  Missing 2 volumes
Louis Berkhof Collection (15 vols.)   --  Systematic Theologies is the only volume missing
Messianic Jewish Publishers Collection (22 vols.)    --  Missing 1 volume
Pauline Studies Library (35 vols.)   --  Missing 11 volumes
Preaching the Word Collection (19 vols.)   --  Missing 5 volumes   CORRECTED COUNT
Roy Zuck Vital Issues Series (12 vols.)   --  Missing 7 volumes
SNTW Collection (7 vols.)    --  Missing 2 volumes
Socio-Rhetorical Commentary Series (SRC) (8 vols.)    --  Missing 4 volumes
The Complete Library of Christian Worship (7 vols.)   --  Missing 2 volumes
The Works of Cornelius Van Til (40 vols.)   --  Missing 6 volumes
Trinitarian Theology Collection (3 vols.)   --  Missing 1 volume
Writings From the Ancient World (16 vols.)   --  Missing 13 volumes

More updates to follow as well as an updated file.

 

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Praiser | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2010 9:51 AM

Jonathan Burke:

* Sheffield/T & T Clark Bible Guides Collection (44 vols.) 849.95 USD

* Studies in Jesus and the Gospels (23 vols.) 349.95 USD

* Library of NT Studies: JSNTS on Paul (17 vols.) 899.95 USD

I actually own just over half of the volumes in the Pauline Studies Library (35 vols.), and was already thinking of haggling for a good price for that collection then haggling for a good price on the Library of NT Studies: JSNTS on Paul (17 vols.), collection afterwards (since I would then have just over half of that collectoion as well). Picking up the 2010 Master collection may be a more efficient means to the same end. On the other hand, isn't there a 'build your own' 50% off sale? I may be better off being more selective.

 I did contact my sales representative a month ago on the Library of NT Studies: JSNTS on Paul (17 vols.) and Library of NT Studies: JSNTS on the Gospels and Acts (16 vols.) and was just about ready to make the jump after Thanksgiving, but I decided to wait to see what the Christmas Specials would bring. So glad I waited.  For those of you who are interested in both of those collections and do not have the ICC NT commentary series ... I did discover the New Testament Studies Bundle (64vols.) was the way to go on that purchase....that was until the Master Christmas Collection showed up!

Just a note: The Master Collection is missing only 11 volumes of  the Pauline Studies Library (35 vols.)  and I find that after adding the Master Collection to my library  I will have all of the titles. The following titles are the ones missing from the Master Collection:

Arguing With Scripture: The Rhetoric of Quotations in the Letters of Paul, by Christopher Stanley  
Conversion at Corinth: Perspectives on Conversion in Paul's Theology and the Corinthian Church, by Stephen J. Chester
Dictionary of Paul and his Letters, by Gerald F. Hawthorne, Ralph P. Martin, and Daniel G. Reid
Epistle to the Ephesians: A Commentary, by Rudolf Schnackenburg
Law in Paul's Thought: A Contribution to the Development of Pauline Theology, by Hans Hübner
On Paul: Essays on His Life, Work, and Influence in the Early Church, by C. K. Barrett
Paul and Jesus, edited by Alexander J. M. Wedderburn
Paul and the Hermeneutics of Faith, by Francis Watson
The Life and Epistles of St. Paul (2 Vols.), by William J. Conybeare and John S. Howson
The Life and Work of Paul (2 Vols.), by F. W. Farrar
The Life of Paul, by James Stalker

And as far as the  "build your own' 50% off sale"  that is great if you have a limited number of resources that you are wanting to acquire. But if there are a number of the larger cost collections that you are wanting AND they are INCLUDED in the Master Collection, well the Master Collection would definitely be the way to go if you can possibly do it.

I am praying that each person who has a need or even the desire for this Master Collection will be blessed with the financial means to obtain it.

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2010 12:07 PM

Praiser:
as far as the  "build your own' 50% off sale"  that is great if you have a limited number of resources that you are wanting to acquire. But if there are a number of the larger cost collections that you are wanting AND they are INCLUDED in the Master Collection, well that would definitely be the way to go if you can possibly do it.

To me, if the cost is much more than $2/book, I feel like I've been priced out due to limited finances (small church, no book budget beyond ALL professional costs for the year)... As a consequence, no 50% off collection makes the cut.

Grace & Peace,
Bill


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Sue McIntyre | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2010 12:34 PM

Thank you Praiser for taking the time to answer my question yesterday. I hope you get time to enjoy your new resources over the Christmas break Smile 

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Kent Hendricks | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2010 12:51 PM

We are finishing some final testing on the big collection and hope to make it available for download in the next few hours.

Remember, this collection is big. Really big. So it will take a few hours to download and index—maybe more, depending on your machine.

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Bryan O Clements | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2010 1:29 PM

Thanks Kent!!  It looks like Christmas may come two days early.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2010 2:59 PM

Will this actually ship before Christmas?

 

I'll be at my parents for Christmas and their internet is much slower than mine..  I wonder how many gigabyte the Master Collection would be?

 

I didn't see Kent's post. ( I guess I posted from the first page.)

Still I wonder how much space I will need on my hard drive.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2010 4:13 PM

This confirms for me my decision NOT to purchase this collection. I have Portfolio already, and dozens of other PrePub purchases as well, including the T&T Clark Bible Guides, which is a high ticket item at $850, as well as a few other of the collections listed. Aside from the resistance I have to purchasing items twice even at a great discount (which obviously decreases the discount value by half), the principle of the thing prevents me from considering it. Portfolio owners, who have already stepped up and PROVED their good-customerhood to Logos, shouldn't be forced to rebuy items to get additional "big value" discounts for their BIG TICKET purchases. As a customer who has dropped well over $10K with Logos, I shouldn't have to double purchase items in order to qualify for additional big % savings. I honestly believe that Logos should "cater" to my willingness to send them thousands of dollars by offering me packages that have been designed with me & other top Logos customers (i.e. Portfolio owners) in mind. Of course, they don't have to...nor do I have to send them another dime.

As I said in another thread I started regarding this Master Collection, there's plenty in it I would like, I'm just not going to pay that kind of money for those items when so much of the collection is stuff I already have. Good deal or not...it's a far less of a good deal when I'm rebuying a vast number of resources.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2010 4:51 PM

In fact, having just looked a little more closely at the items in this collection that I had before, I have determined that I would probably be best served if I cancelled ALL of the over $10,000 of PrePubs and CP items currently in my pipe and wait a few years until Logos throws them into a collection. This is true for a couple of reasons:

Even though I would like to have all of these resources in my library--

1) I don't use many of these resources on a regular basis, or even at all up to this point in time. Not having them for another year or two or three or five won't bother me.

2) I bought the T&T Clark Bible guides on PrePub for far more percentage-wise than the current $1 per title in the Master Collection. Because I bought it (and other items in the MC) on PrePub, it is now keeping me from being willing to pay the current asking price of the MC, even though the MC contains many items I would like to have. With Logos's refusal to create bulk collections as add-ons to the base collections, and the incentive they are creating to not buy on PrePub, it seems like the smart thing to do if I want to add the most titles to my library for the least overall cost is just wait...even if it is a matter of years. As it stands, with the way Logos keeps creating these bulk collections, every purchase I make today is a disincentive to take advantage of larger,more greatly discounted bulk purchases in the future. I can't and won't take advantage of this current bulk offering, and if I want to be in a position to take advantage of future bulk offerings, it seems the best thing I can do is cancel all of my currently scheduled purchases.

This is a strange dynamic Logos is creating...quite odd.

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Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2010 4:58 PM

Praiser:

I am attaching an Excel file that shows how the Master Collection 2010 stacked up against my Portfolio Library that had many add-ons...

Hopefully my efforts will help some of you sort things out and save lots of you some time. Time

Thank you Logos for such a tremendous offering!GiftBig Smile

Have a wonderful CHRISTmas everyone!

Praiser, Thank you for sharing!

  Big Smile My wife capitulated to my whining logic and gave the OK to buy this on installments. Big Smile  She wasn't too crazy that I already owned nearly half, but understood that I'd never purchase at this price point separately--and she knows I obsess in analyzing large expenses.

  Your work makes it much easier for me...in 2012+...to work with Logos to complete these collections in future purchases.

  Maybe next Christmas they'll offer a "fill in the gap" promotion...

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Jonathan Burke | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2010 6:06 PM

Thanks very much for your further help Praiser. Looking at the items in the Master collection that I would really use and which I need for my particular studies, I find that I can purchase them all for 50% off at around US$1,300. This is a significant saving over the Master Collection price. I realise that buying books at $2 each is an incredible bargain, but buying 300 books I won't need just doesn't make sense, even at $2 a book.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2010 6:43 PM

David Paul:
the principle of the thing prevents me from considering it.

Must be rough to be a man of principles! Stick out tongue

David Paul:
shouldn't be forced to

no arm twisting going on, just good deals....

David Paul:
As a customer who has dropped well over $10K with Logos, I shouldn't have to double purchase items in order to qualify for additional big % savings. I honestly believe that Logos should "cater" to my willingness to send them thousands of dollars by offering me packages that have been designed with me & other top Logos customers (i.e. Portfolio owners) in mind. Of course, they don't have to...nor do I have to send them another dime.

All joking aside, I hear what you are saying but I see it a little differently. I too have dropped more than $10K with direct purchases from Logos. And because I have been a very careful shopper, my library holdings total over $23K by Logos "sale prices."  I have Portfolio Edition and more than 850 of the 2010 resources in the Christmas 2010 Master Collection.

I look at this from the standpoint of the parable of the vineyard. I can agree to a great discount on 1000+ resources and be grateful others who have less than I can get a super-great deal on 2010 resources. Or I could get bitter that others have such a nice offer. But refusing to consider the nice offer Logos has extended to ME is cutting off my nose to spite my face. I wish you'd reconsider the facts and not the "principle."

This deal rivals my Portfolio purchase in value. I'm grateful.

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David Paul:
it seems like the smart thing to do if I want to add the most titles to my library for the least overall cost is just wait...even if it is a matter of years. As it stands, with the way Logos keeps creating these bulk collections, every purchase I make today is a disincentive to take advantage of larger,more greatly discounted bulk purchases in the future.

When Eastern Airlines upgraded their computer network at Will Rogers International Airport I was the lucky guy to buy their whole collection of IBM p90 tower systems. The airlines had spent millions on their network. I got it for $120 and truck rental. I guess when Logos 12 ships, you might see somebody sell off their Christmas 2010 Master Collection for 98% off retail.  I want to use the software NOW.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2010 8:04 PM

Matthew C Jones:

  I want to use the software NOW.

Like I said...I would like to have many of the Master Collection titles in my library, but the truth is I wouldn't read most of them--or even open them--even once during the next year of two. I don't buy most of what I purchase in Logos because I want to read a particular resource through. I buy it in case I end up needing it during a query. Even now I have more in my library than I will ever be able to read. The reason I would like to have additional resources is because one never knows when a search or query will bring up the precise bit of info that is just what you happen to be looking for. Having a large number of resources already, I have on occasion found HALOT to uniquely have the info I was seeking...and I have also found HALOT and all my other resources being beaten out by good ole Strong's. I have also found useful quotes, thoughts, and ideas in resources I didn't even know I had.

That is the reason why I have a desire to add additional resources...but at this point I also realize that I now have most of what I consider ESSENTIAL, with just a few exceptions, like the Talmud. I will add more at this point only if I consider it a spectacular deal. I have proven I have the willingness and desire to purchase Logos resources, and I am prepared to buy two or even three times as much as I already have...IF...

One of my "if's" is the simple consideration that I not be asked to pay a second (or in a few cases even a third time) for resources I already own. You say that you're happy with this particular deal. Great...for you. For me, I would feel like a chump. Will I then be asked to buy the same resources a fourth or fifth or sixth time too, just so I can pick up the latest Logos bulk purchase offering? I'm not going to do that. If Logos wants me to part with my wallet's contents, they will do so by offering me SUPPLEMENTS to the resources they have already sold me. As far as I see it, each item they have sold to me already that is in the Master Collection could instead be an item that I don't have...only it isn't. Truth is, I can wait...and I'll be just fine. I may even buy an occasional book in hardback used on amazon or ebay. When Logos offers me a deal that I haven't paid for once already, I may very well take them up on it. I am certainly willing.

Let me say this--I am grateful that Logos is offering bulk purchase options. I have said many times I prefer to buy in bulk, even if I have to drop a huge nickel to do so.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2010 9:04 PM

David Paul:
the simple consideration that I not be asked to pay a second (or in a few cases even a third time) for resources I already own. You say that you're happy with this particular deal. Great...for you. For me, I would feel like a chump.

David, How about this deal?  I used my influence a a forum MVP to get you a special price:

  1. You can have everything in the Christmas 2010 Master Collection that you do not already own.
  2. You will only download titles you do not already have. (You won't be getting two copies of anything.)
  3. Since you will only be buying about a thousand books I can't sell them as cheap as a buck a book. It averages more like $2 per title. Some of these books list at $190 each!
  4. You have to take all or nothing, no picking or substitutions.
  5. You will get roughly $30,000 suggested retail value of books.

All this for the limited time (January 2, 2011)  special price of $2010 (payment plans available)

It is all in how you look at it.       $2 a book is not a bad deal.   Consider the facts and you will come out ahead buying.  But if you can't buy them, I guess any reasoning that soothes the pain will suffice.   ( And you can't compare a hardback with a search-able, tagged, light-weight digital copy that updates and corrects typos )

disclaimer: lest somebody mistake this post, it is what Dan has already put together in the Christmas 2010 Master Collection

 

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Bryan O Clements | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2010 9:25 PM

Thank you Logos. I am downloading the collection now, can't wait to go exploring.  What a way to spend Christmas Eve.

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Rebecca RG | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 23 2010 9:54 PM

 

I do appreciate the opportunity to buy many of the resources on my "but they are too expensive" wish list for low Christmas special prices. I am thankful for the thought Logos has put into HOW to accomplish this.  Any add-on collection has to make good sense for Logos (so they make it happen), for the publishers (so they agree to it), for other Logos users (so they opt in), and for me (so I get 'my' resources at **gulp** the price I did).  I have no idea whether the final sales figures are going to prove Logos' concept to publishers and its own good judgment.  I hope so.  I'm glad others of you with very different interests than mine, and different existing collections both larger and smaller, were enticed into one of the special Christmas collections.  Because you opted in for a different set of books, it made it possible for me to obtain the books I want at fantastic prices.  I am glad for you and glad for me.  And I am glad the 50%-ers got only the books they want at reasonable prices. Together, with Logos' help, we make it possible for all of us to obtain different books at prices that enable each of us to take the leap.  (Welcome in, Ward!)  

It's the power of us.  Hopefully, together we are creating a large enough total buy for participating publishers--and non-participating publishers--to take notice.  Thank you Logos for bringing us together.

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