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Henry Au | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011 10:29 AM

I'm glad we got the split screen in the latest update. But I love the BibleReader 5 implementation of "Resource Guide"! I would like to know if Logos will add similar feature in iPad. Also, I would like Logos for iPad support more offline operations like searching only downloaded resources and show only downloaded resources in passage guide. Thanks!

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Anthony H | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 21 2011 6:32 AM

Henry Au:

I'm glad we got the split screen in the latest update. But I love the BibleReader 5 implementation of "Resource Guide"! I would like to know if Logos will add similar feature in iPad. Also, I would like Logos for iPad support more offline operations like searching only downloaded resources and show only downloaded resources in passage guide. Thanks!

Alas, cloud computing has been the specified direction so I wouldn't guess that this is going to happen.

I would agree. I have the ipod version of BR5 and I love the fact that offline I can still have some automated resource associations. The truth is if Logos had this offline functionality with the same responsiveness it would be the only Bible application I would own period. As it stands I have 3 on my ipod and 2 on my laptop. That’s money that I would have only spent with Logos.

I believe Logos to be the superior product overall but it fails me in certain niche needs. Mind you these niche needs are a regular necessity.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 21 2011 12:21 PM

It would be a massive challenge for Logos to implement this (though I certainly hope they do). Biblereader do it by creating a largish database (25-30Mb, I think) that contains all the links and cross-references. This is what makes the report fast enough to do on a mobile device.

But a database for a library the size of Logos would be massive - Logos has 20 times the resources than BibleReader, and many more of them are commentaries etc. That would place the size of the database file around the 500-600Mb. It's not impossible to handle a file this size (offline Wikipedia does it, for example), but it wouldn't be easy. And, every time new resources were added to Logos, the database would need to be updated and re-downloaded for users. That's not likely to be popular.

Perhaps the best way, as Logos are committed to the cloud, would be to have the cloud generate a personalised version of the file, just using the resources you own. For most users the file size would drop to perhaps 50-100Mb which is much more manageable. That way the cloud could be utilised to solve the problem of giving us local access to data - the best of both worlds!

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Philana Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 21 2011 12:28 PM

Mark Barnes:

It would be a massive challenge for Logos to implement this (though I certainly hope they do). Biblereader do it by creating a largish database (25-30Mb, I think) that contains all the links and cross-references. This is what makes the report fast enough to do on a mobile device.

But a database for a library the size of Logos would be massive - Logos has 20 times the resources than BibleReader, and many more of them are commentaries etc. That would place the size of the database file around the 500-600Mb. It's not impossible to handle a file this size (offline Wikipedia does it, for example), but it wouldn't be easy. And, every time new resources were added to Logos, the database would need to be updated and re-downloaded for users. That's not likely to be popular.

Perhaps the best way, as Logos are committed to the cloud, would be to have the cloud generate a personalised version of the file, just using the resources you own. For most users the file size would drop to perhaps 50-100Mb which is much more manageable. That way the cloud could be utilised to solve the problem of giving us local access to data - the best of both worlds!

 

This would be great. I think it would be very useful to have this offline.

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Anthony H | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 23 2011 2:20 PM

Mark Barnes:

It would be a massive challenge for Logos to implement this (though I certainly hope they do). Biblereader do it by creating a largish database (25-30Mb, I think) that contains all the links and cross-references. This is what makes the report fast enough to do on a mobile device.

But a database for a library the size of Logos would be massive - Logos has 20 times the resources than BibleReader, and many more of them are commentaries etc. That would place the size of the database file around the 500-600Mb. It's not impossible to handle a file this size (offline Wikipedia does it, for example), but it wouldn't be easy. And, every time new resources were added to Logos, the database would need to be updated and re-downloaded for users. That's not likely to be popular.

Perhaps the best way, as Logos are committed to the cloud, would be to have the cloud generate a personalised version of the file, just using the resources you own. For most users the file size would drop to perhaps 50-100Mb which is much more manageable. That way the cloud could be utilised to solve the problem of giving us local access to data - the best of both worlds!

 

I love this idea!  Yes

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James Brown | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 23 2011 6:57 PM

For the second Sunday in a row, I have been unable to use my online library and features. I was trying during the 11:00 AM eastern hour worship service to access my online librarary and passage guide. I could not. I tried again at 6:30 PM eastern and could not again. And at 9:50 PM eastern.. still not available.

Please fix the cloud or let us have an offline app. I keep turning to my Olive Tree Bible Reader. Glad I had what I needed tonight to teach my Bible Study and wasn't relying on Logos' cloud.

Jim

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 24 2011 9:53 AM

James Brown:

For the second Sunday in a row, I have been unable to use my online library and features. I was trying during the 11:00 AM eastern hour worship service to access my online librarary and passage guide. I could not. I tried again at 6:30 PM eastern and could not again. And at 9:50 PM eastern.. still not available.

Please fix the cloud or let us have an offline app. I keep turning to my Olive Tree Bible Reader. Glad I had what I needed tonight to teach my Bible Study and wasn't relying on Logos' cloud.

Jim

This is the exact type of thing that has made me cry out against the iOS app. It's more than their server going down though. Wifi networks go down too as do cell towers. As well as many places that have bad cell phone coverage. Most small churches and even many large churches have no wifi in them. I personally don;t care about having a fancy full fledged passage guide just a very usable non network dependent app. There is little reason we could not have an actual offline App, Oilvetree has done it, Accordance has done it. I am not saying that more powerful searches that you want to include in the app should not require a connection, just that many of us want to have the ability to be totally offline, without having to go to the drastic measure of always needing to turn on airplane mode. 

-dan

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