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Keith Sanborn | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Feb 20 2011 7:59 PM

Have jumped ship from Apple and would love an Android app. Thanks!

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 20 2011 8:27 PM

Welcome to the forums! You'll be happy to hear that Logos is working on an Android app, no specifics on a potential release date though.

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St. Columcille | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 5:03 PM

I hope it is soon, Ipad is just to expensive right now.  If the apps can be more like Ipad than Iphone (so I can access my whole library), I'd get the Andriod app with say Barnes and Noble's notepad or some other Andriod operated system.  So my question is, if Logos does come out with Android, will its features be more like the iphone or the ipad?

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Alan Siu Kuen Wong | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 6:03 PM

I will do exactly what you will do.  I will get an Android tablet and run the Logos App with it right the way.

I will also switch to an Android phone and sell my iPhone.Big Smile

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 7:04 PM

St. Columcille:
So my question is, if Logos does come out with Android, will its features be more like the iphone or the ipad?

Currently Logos iOS capabilities are the same on iPhone, iPad, and iPod Touch

Google is fragmenting Android into phone (2.4) and tablet (3.0) versions - not know if Logos capabilities will be the same on both.

Considering diversity of hardware running Android (including some manufacturers that cannot upgrade to newer Android OS releases due to their customization), recommend waiting for Logos Android application to ship, then purchasing an Android device that runs Logos application with good performance.

Barnes & Noble Nook Color is attractive from price perspective; not know if hardware adequate to run Logos Android Application.

Recently noticed Google has similar in-app purchasing rules as Apple => http://www.mediabistro.com/thinkmobile/google-has-similar-in-app-purchasing-rules-as-apple_b11202 (with 30 % of sales to Google)

Google blocked free application upgrade from Android market => http://www.rethink-wireless.com/2011/02/25/google-tough-in-app-purchasing.htm

St. Columcille:
Ipad is just to expensive right now.

Refurbished iPads are less expensive => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad

Apple preparing for March 2 iPad event => http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/25/apple_may_surprise_with_near_immediate_availability_of_ipad_2_next_week.html - if rumor about iPad 2 availability true, then refurbished iPad may drop in price.

Forum discussions following Apple in-app purchasing changes (and potential Logos application impact) => http://community.logos.com/forums/t/29385.aspx and http://community.logos.com/forums/t/29373.aspx

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 28 2011 4:40 PM

After reading article about modified Android application running up big texting bill => http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9211879/Infected_Android_app_runs_up_big_texting_bills

Hoping for trustworthy method to install and use Logos on Android.

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 28 2011 7:39 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

After reading article about modified Android application running up big texting bill => http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9211879/Infected_Android_app_runs_up_big_texting_bills

Hoping for trustworthy method to install and use Logos on Android.

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Your post is fallacious.

Poisoning the well.

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Larry Heflin | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 28 2011 8:55 PM

OK. Why is that post fallacious? I'm still debating which direction to go with a phone that would work best with Logos and would appreciate some clarification if possible. Care to shed some light?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 28 2011 9:40 PM

Ryan Hamre:

Your post is fallacious.

Poisoning the well.

Welcome to the Logos forums. Our guidelines are available on the home page in the upper right hand corner of the page.

Unfortunately, I don't understand your post. Would you care to point to the specific fallacy? Non-specific criticisms are easily misunderstood in the forums. Specifics allow us to agree, disagree or offer alternatives.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 28 2011 9:56 PM

Ryan Hamre:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

After reading article about modified Android application running up big texting bill => http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9211879/Infected_Android_app_runs_up_big_texting_bills

Hoping for trustworthy method to install and use Logos on Android.

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Your post is fallacious.

Poisoning the well.

Observation: scary part of article is easy portability to other applications (spreadable poison).  Unfortunately, have read some other articles about Android scams this year, including => http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/01/android-banking-scam-app-shoots-phish-in-googles-barrel/

Personally prefer some bitterness here so many can drink sweetly from Logos Bible Study.

Also have read about a scam that got past Apple's App Store review process => http://www.macworld.com/article/152533/2010/07/apple_app_store_fraud.html - Apple has modified iTunes to require password entry more often to confirm purchases (and application ratings).

Edit: found an article contrasting Android and iOS security => http://www.phonearena.com/news/Chairman-of-antivirus-company-claims-iOS-more-secure-than-Android_id15911  Appears Android is like Windows where antivirus always needed.  AVG notes their Android app sells well => http://www.avg.com/us-en/antivirus-for-android

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Jeff Causey | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 1 2011 6:13 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

Seems like this is the key part of the article:

"unlike Apple's iOS, users can install apps downloaded from third-party distribution sites....Smartphone owners should be wary of unauthorized app stores, Thakur said. "Downloading an app from one of these [third-party] sites is like downloading a Windows app from a 'warez' site," he said, referring to sites that post illegally-obtained content, which often is malware infected."

More flexibility, but also more risk.  I would imagine one factor is the failure of many smartphone users to recognize that they are actually operating a miniaturized computer.  Similar caution should be employed as one would exercise with their desktop or laptop computer.

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 1 2011 8:32 AM

MJ. Smith:

Ryan Hamre:

Your post is fallacious.

Poisoning the well.

Welcome to the Logos forums. Our guidelines are available on the home page in the upper right hand corner of the page.

Unfortunately, I don't understand your post. Would you care to point to the specific fallacy? Non-specific criticisms are easily misunderstood in the forums. Specifics allow us to agree, disagree or offer alternatives.

The original poster posted the following-

Keith Sanborn:

Have jumped ship from Apple and would love an Android app. Thanks!

To which, it would appear, the user "Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)" starts posting in response to Apple criticism.

The following post is also made, seemingly in response to no one, and not quite on topic-

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

After reading article about modified Android application running up big texting bill => http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9211879/Infected_Android_app_runs_up_big_texting_bills

Hoping for trustworthy method to install and use Logos on Android.

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To describe "Poisoning the well", the following is taken from http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/poisoning-the-well.html

This sort of "reasoning" involves trying to discredit what a person might later claim by presenting unfavorable information (be it true or false) about the person. This "argument" has the following form:

   1. Unfavorable information (be it true or false) about person A is presented.
   2. Therefore any claims person A makes will be false.

This sort of "reasoning" is obviously fallacious. The person making such an attack is hoping that the unfavorable information will bias listeners against the person in question and hence that they will reject any claims he might make. However, merely presenting unfavorable information about a person (even if it is true) hardly counts as evidence against the claims he/she might make. This is especially clear when Poisoning the Well is looked at as a form of ad Homimem in which the attack is made prior to the person even making the claim or claims.

User "Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)"'s post has nothing to do with Logos programming a 3rd party application, unless his fear is that Logos doesn't produce good software and would inadvertently or purposefully install a rogue application.

Linking the article that "Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)" did in this thread is only a character attack on the Android platform creating a bias against Android which has nothing to do with Logos properly running and functioning on Android.

This behavior is actually what I have seen in every Android thread I have read on Logos, without fail "Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)" is in the thread "Frowning 4 Android" and "Smiling 4 Apple".

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 1 2011 1:12 PM

Thank you, Ryan, for your reply. I now understand what you meant which means a great deal to me. Without understanding there can be little useful communication.

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 1 2011 1:21 PM

MJ. Smith:

Thank you, Ryan, for your reply. I now understand what you meant which means a great deal to me. Without understanding there can be little useful communication.

I do apologize for not being more clear, and being so brief in my initial post. For me it's a lesson learned, I made a hasty snap post instead of taking the time to fully articulate what was occurring.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 1 2011 3:49 PM

Ryan Hamre:

User "Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)"'s post has nothing to do with Logos programming a 3rd party application, unless his fear is that Logos doesn't produce good software and would inadvertently or purposefully install a rogue application.

Linking the article that "Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)" did in this thread is only a character attack on the Android platform creating a bias against Android which has nothing to do with Logos properly running and functioning on Android.

This behavior is actually what I have seen in every Android thread I have read on Logos, without fail "Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)" is in the thread "Frowning 4 Android" and "Smiling 4 Apple".

Thankful Logos produces great Bible Study software - some of my posts include good business reason for Logos to develop application for Android devices - hopefully foresee Logos software usage on WIndows, Android, and Apple devices (tablet, mobile, laptop, and desktop) - watching for Logos syncing of notes and highlighting across all devices for awesome Bible study.

Apologies - not intending to frown 4 Android overall - desire to share legitimate information about technical challenges and risks - appears Android platform will be like Windows platform where antivirus installation and updates are part of daily life - a viable choice for many.

Compared to Apple's iOS development, Android platform is significantly more difficult (e.g. customized user interfaces).  The developers for "Angry Birds" game wrote first for iOS then Android (similar to Logos development).  Some Android devices do not have adequate hardware for running "Angry Birds" game - not know if Logos will need to develop more than one Android application (like "Angry Birds" game).

Do appreciate many Logos users anxiously looking forward to Android usage - due to technical difficulties inherent on Android platform, anticipate Logos application(s) taking awhile to develop and deliver.  Also noticed "Angry Birds" game development for Android took longer than initially promised.

With Google now enforcing in-app purchasing (with 30 % revenue cut to Google, same as Apple), not know impact on Logos Android application(s) - appears same 3 business choices as iOS Logos application:

1) Add in-app purchasing while keeping current purchase resource once, use everywhere model

2) Add in-app purchasing with resource usage restricted to platform if purchased in-app.  Offer 70 % discount at Logos.com to unlock resource for use everywhere.  If resource purchased at Logos.com, then usable everywhere (same as today)

3) Abandon Android and iOS application(s) - enhance Biblia.com for mobile use (like Amazon's direction for Kindle web browser)

Observation: adding and verifying in-app purchasing would delay delivery of Logos application(s) for Android (also requires integration with Logos.com for order history).

Logos 4 is resource intensive on PC & Mac – benefits from fast processor, graphics, and disk along with adequate memory (e.g. newer hardware since Logos 4 being designed for use over 5 to 8 years).  Have read many Logos forum threads about Logos 4 performance issues on PC's and Mac's - some users frowning.  With Android devices having wide variety of hardware capabilities, after Logos ships Android application, anticipating some Logos user frowns since their Android device scrolls too slow, etc.  Hence, earlier recommendation to wait on device purchase until Logos Android application(s) ship (especially if purchasing Android device primarily for Logos use).

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 1 2011 5:41 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
appears Android platform will be like Windows platform where antivirus installation and updates are part of daily life - a viable choice for many.

Most virus infections are the result of ineptitude of the user. I will gladly enjoy the risk of PC or Linux then have Apple dictating how I do my computing.

This ideology affects my views not just in computing, but on firearms, capitalism, freedom of speech, etc.

Regardless of all that, saying "antivirus installation and updates are a part of daily life" in the Android and Windows world is another illogical attack.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Compared to Apple's iOS development, Android platform is significantly more difficult (e.g. customized user interfaces).

I disagree, the fact that Apple prohibits programs to be developed in anything except Objective-C, makes development burdensome and least platform independent.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
The developers for "Angry Birds" game wrote first for iOS then Android (similar to Logos development).

This proves nothing except the fact that programming for iOS, initially, makes porting it to other platforms exceedingly difficult.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
due to technical difficulties inherent on Android platform

I deny your unproven presupposition.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Also noticed "Angry Birds" game development for Android took longer than initially promised.

I wish you would quit talking about "Angry Birds", comparing a video game to Logos is not comparing Apples to Apples.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

Logos 4 is resource intensive on PC & Mac – benefits from fast processor, graphics, and disk along with adequate memory (e.g. newer hardware since Logos 4 being designed for use over 5 to 8 years).  Have read many Logos forum threads about Logos 4 performance issues on PC's and Mac's - some users frowning.  With Android devices having wide variety of hardware capabilities, after Logos ships Android application, anticipating some Logos user frowns since their Android device scrolls too slow, etc.  Hence, earlier recommendation to wait on device purchase until Logos Android application(s) ship (especially if purchasing Android device primarily for Logos use).

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Porting a program over to a specific OS is one thing, getting the appropriate hardware puts the onus on the user.

I don't want to get into the old Apple vs everything else debate. I don't have to. I'm a senior systems engineer. The company I work for will never use Apple products. I will never use Apple products. Enough said.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 1 2011 9:25 PM

Ryan Hamre:
I don't want to get into the old Apple vs everything else debate. I don't have to. I'm a senior systems engineer. The company I work for will never use Apple products. I will never use Apple products. Enough said.

Thank you - now I understand your intense bias.

Ryan Hamre:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Compared to Apple's iOS development, Android platform is significantly more difficult (e.g. customized user interfaces).

I disagree, the fact that Apple prohibits programs to be developed in anything except Objective-C, makes development burdensome and least platform independent.

Monotouch supports C# and .Net for iPad development => http://monotouch.net/

Adobe's Actionscript can be used too => http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/packagerforiphone/

App approved => http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/94906/20101223/apple-opens-gates-for-adobe-flash-on-ipad-approves-skyfire-app.htm

Ryan Hamre:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
due to technical difficulties inherent on Android platform

I deny your unproven presupposition.

A search for android development difficulties finds some informative articles, including:

http://www.wanarua.com/development-corner/63-android-development-problems

Android development forum has many active threads about variety of problems => http://www.anddev.org/

Ryan Hamre:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Also noticed "Angry Birds" game development for Android took longer than initially promised.

I wish you would quit talking about "Angry Birds", comparing a video game to Logos is not comparing Apples to Apples.

An "Angry Birds" blog offers apologies about performance along with listing low-end Android devices not supported by game:

http://www.rovio.com/index.php?mact=Blogs,cntnt01,showentry,0&cntnt01entryid=47&cntnt01returnid=58

Logos has a display engine for integrating notes and highlighting with language text, including chapters, and verses (highlighting needs quick search capabilities).  While not directly Apples to Apples comparison, suspect Logos application would be more resource intensive than "Angry Birds" game plus more code to develop since Logos has more features than game.  If Logos ships Android application, will be interesting to compare performance: e.g. wonder about scrolling on low-end Android devices.

Personally have appreciated using Logos offline on an iPad during church services - much easier to handle than a laptop or PC tablet - quick to display Bible verse - like being able to compare 2 Bible versions or have Bible and Commentary side-by-side (easy to change commentary or Bible version).  Also finding NET Bible footnotes quite useful to augment sermon.  Hoping for Logos application improvement to include visual filter highlighting and notes.  Looks like Logos Android application should have same capabilities.

Praying for Logos (company) to make good business decision about Android and iOS applications (add in-app purchasing or abandon).

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Gerald Tsai | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 11 2011 6:51 PM

I am looking forward to the Logos Android version. Am switching from iPhone to a Samsung Android phone this month.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 12 2011 9:26 AM

Gerald Tsai:

I am looking forward to the Logos Android version. Am switching from iPhone to a Samsung Android phone this month.

Welcome Big Smile

Limited beta testing of Logos Android application has commenced => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/34132/257688.aspx#257688

May want to wait for some Beta application reviews before purchasing Android.

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