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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 25 2011 5:13 PM

Matthew C Jones:
30 year old redheads named "Jack" (fictitious example here)

Jack is not a redhead, but his wife is. She is a little older than 30, but this must be for me. Big Smile

Watching the video, I had a different impression from that most of you have expressed. I purchased the Camp Logos I & II videos form L3. I had the impression that this was to be a similar product. The menu shown in the video seems to support this. Those videos were merely recordings of the regular Camp Logos presentations. 

I have read posts far beyond the one I quoted, but I could not pass up on the redheaded Jack comment. Cool

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painfree | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 26 2011 12:18 AM

Although I graduated from seminary,  I am very strong in my belief about making bible study available to as many people as possible and with a product as robost as Logos, I would hope that video training is made affordable for everyone and not just those that have a "congregation" to finance them so that all Logos users can indeed learn to use the other 95% of the software

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 26 2011 12:29 AM

Before I took on the privilege of ministry I was in a job which paid more than I receive now so I would have been able to finance my purchases of Logos software much more easily.

The fact that I didn't was more to do with the fact that I didn't devote the time to study which required the use of such software. I had bought different packages but never used them to any significant degree.

I wish I had started using this software sooner to deepen my understanding of God's word but that's another story!

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 26 2011 12:57 AM

Jack Caviness:

Matthew C Jones:
30 year old redheads named "Jack" (fictitious example here)

Jack is not a redhead, but his wife is

My Dad & Father-in-Law had red hair, 3 of my siblings, 6 of my children, and 2 of my grand-children. I gotta be careful what I say. Zip it!

My grand-son (L) and my youngest son (R)

And to keep with the purpose of the forums:
I want to be able to buy these new videos without having to leave my grand-kids behind and go off to seminary!
These two little guys belong together.

 

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Rev. D. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 26 2011 6:31 AM

I am unable to attend the Camp 1 session at any point this year due to scheduling conflicts. A few weeks ago, I remembered how MP created videos of Camp 1 and 2 for the Logos 3 software and I hoped they would consider this option again. It's so frustrating to know that I've spent over $7,000 on the software and resources, in the last 6 years, but still have not even cracked the first layer of the program. 

It is my prayer that the videos are affordable and will help me delve deeper into the software. However, I'm always reminded that I can be an advanced or master user of the software, but if I have not love in my heart, then it's all in vain. Hey, can you tell I'm going home for the next two weeks to spend time with old friends and extended/estranged/distant/etc. family. Love, Jesus said love.....

Whew, I feel so much better! Now, back to the videos, I hope they are released real soon. 

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Juanita | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 26 2011 7:03 AM

Hi Cristina,

I spoke to Shannon of Morris Proctor seminars a week ago and she said the dvd's of Camp Logos for L 4 will be ready in 6-8 weeks.  FYI  Smile

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 4:47 PM

At the point where the lessons list was being shown the viewer was requested to watch all in order the first time and then to watch the needed lesson as needed [not a direct quote]  Implies each student will have their own copy [implies low cost] [Or that the series will be on the School network]

[Did I see a section where we were told that the lessons would be download-able - see 1:10 [re watch lesson] and 2:30 [load to hard drive] time reference in Vidieo]

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 6:50 PM

David Ames:

At the point where the lessons list was being shown the viewer was requested to watch all in order the first time and then to watch the needed lesson as needed [not a direct quote]  Implies each student will have their own copy [implies low cost] [Or that the series will be on the School network]

[Did I see a section where we were told that the lessons would be download-able - see 1:10 [re watch lesson] and 2:30 [load to hard drive] time reference in Vidieo]

A lot of  "brick and mortar" colleges and universities have courseware hosted on their school servers and only down-loadable by currently enrolled students. While I am very happy this material will be available to traditional school enrollees, I hope the videos will also be offered to individuals everywhere.

 

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Frank Fenby | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 28 2011 8:31 AM

Matthew C Jones:
I hope the videos will also be offered to individuals everywhere.

+1 Yes

Add priced within reach of many users! Lower the price and get many of sales.

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Aaron Knotts | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 14 2011 2:23 PM

Frank Fenby:

Matthew C Jones:
I hope the videos will also be offered to individuals everywhere.

+1 Yes

Add priced within reach of many users! Lower the price and get many of sales.

Ditto +1 Yes

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 14 2011 11:15 PM

Matthew C Jones:
QUESTION: Are we talking about this?    http://www.logos.com/academic/learnlogos

When I went to the compare pericope section of this link the material was (a) free and (b) for Libronix 3. May I say this whole thread has left me confused.

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William | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 15 2011 12:14 AM

For further or clarification of information.

Yes, MP did have Camp Logos I and I think Camp Logos II out for Libronix L-3.  In December when they were in Phx, Az.  It seemed they mentioned getting a DVD of
Camp Logos I made when they were starting to put Camp Logos II together for Logos L-4.   I would expect this DVD coming in 6-8 weeks to be a camp I.  and in a year or so I would expect a Camp II DVD to come out.  As I recall the DVD's were the same price as the actual training. 

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Orpheus Heyward | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 16 2011 11:01 AM

What is the difference between the content on the Logos Live DVD and the Academic Logos DVD?

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 16 2011 12:15 PM

Kevin Becker:
Hopefully this academic video set will fill a need for advanced training. Those in an academic setting are more likely to want to use advanced features but they by no means have a monopoly on such things. I hope this new series is affordable for all.

I did not respond earlier (several months have now passed) because you stated it clearly and I agree with your take on it. The Academic Training DVDs are available to all and if they order it in Pre-Pub it is cheaper. I am very happy this is the case. 

Right before I purchased Camp Logos Live DVDs I learned from Morris Proctor Seminars the Academic Training is a product of Logos while the Camp Logos Live is a product of MP Seminars. Without worrying why and "what does it matter?" (- I figured it out.) I am only concerned with one particular. I want the "extra" training the Academic DVDs include that the personal training does not.
I did buy the Camp Logos Live DVDs because I knew how good they would be. I am not disappointed at all. I'm very happy I got them and I recommend them to others. 
If only the Academic Training DVDs could be offered at a special price for those who have purchased the personal training. (Yes, I know. The Pre-Pub price IS a special price. It is just hard to sell myself on $219 for only a net gain of  one more hour of training.)  Training videos are not locked by the software license so Logos can not be sure an "upgraded" DVD won't end up being resold. I'm not wanting to part with them. I want BOTH sets.  Stick out tongue

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Frank Fenby | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 16 2011 1:15 PM

Orpheus Heyward:
What is the difference between the content on the Logos Live DVD and the Academic Logos DVD?

I was told by a knowable source Smile that it is several hours longer. That is all I know. I do not know the differences.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 17 2011 4:51 AM

there is a thread somewhere out here where this question was discussed and finally answered through Logos and/or MP employess. I seem to remember that both are identical, but the academic version is cut into smaller snippets (say 10 min) to facilitate teachers showing them as discussion starters/summaries/etc. If I'm not mistaken, the message was that it is pointless to buy both sets.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 17 2011 6:54 AM

NewbieMick:
there is a thread somewhere out here where this question was discussed and finally answered through Logos and/or MP employess. I seem to remember that both are identical, but the academic version is cut into smaller snippets (say 10 min) to facilitate teachers showing them as discussion starters/summaries/etc.

There are several threads but I can't find them either. I am probably the one guilty of promoting the "no difference but video length" description. When we finally did get official answers (there was one from a Logos employee and another from an MP Seminars rep) they said there was a small amount of content included in the Academic training that was not in the "personal" edition. It had to do with things students need to know to help them use Logos in the pursuit degree requirements. They mentioned citing references in footnotes.

I doubt I write another thesis or a first dissertation but I would still like to have the info available.

It makes more sense to me for a student to buy the Academic Training DVDs. The price is cheaper while it is still in Pre-Pub and they get more training.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 25 2011 11:50 AM

David Ames:

At the point where the lessons list was being shown the viewer was requested to watch all in order the first time and then to watch the needed lesson as needed [not a direct quote]  Implies each student will have their own copy [implies low cost] [Or that the series will be on the School network]

[Did I see a section where we were told that the lessons would be download-able - see 1:10 [re watch lesson] and 2:30 [load to hard drive] time reference in Video]

Price is $219.95 Pre-Pub and ship date is listed as 6/8/2011 - said to be used in class

How is this licensed?  Per user as all others?  OR per teacher for use by entire class on a class server?

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Otto S. Carroll | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 25 2011 3:31 PM

Matthew C Jones:
Right before I purchased Camp Logos Live DVDs I learned from Morris Proctor Seminars the Academic Training is a product of Logos while the Camp Logos Live is a product of MP Seminars. Without worrying why and "what does it matter?" (- I figured it out.) I am only concerned with one particular. I want the "extra" training the Academic DVDs include that the personal training does not.
I did buy the Camp Logos Live DVDs because I knew how good they would be. I am not disappointed at all. I'm very happy I got them and I recommend them to others. 
If only the Academic Training DVDs could be offered at a special price for those who have purchased the personal training. (Yes, I know. The Pre-Pub price IS a special price. It is just hard to sell myself on $219 for only a net gain of  one more hour of training.)  Training videos are not locked by the software license so Logos can not be sure an "upgraded" DVD won't end up being resold. I'm not wanting to part with them. I want BOTH sets.  Stick out tongue

Same here. I've completed the Camp Logos Live DVD's and were very pleased with them. I'm not in an academic setting and doubt I will ever be, but if there was a significant price break on the Academic Set for those who own the Camp Logos Live set, I would buy it for the addition training.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 28 2011 2:36 PM

David Ames asked: How is this licensed?  Per user as all others?  OR per teacher for use by entire class on a class server?

Got this reply from Logos:

From: David Jones <davidj @ logos.com>
To: <<the email address of the posted known as David Ames
Date: Fri, May 27, 2011 1:30 pm

Hi,

 

I just wanted to touch base with you with additional info on the Logos Academic Training video.  If you have any questions or are interested in using this in a class, please contact me.

 

We have created the curriculum for a one credit hour class called Logos Academic Training.  The two DVD’s provide over 8 hours of training with lessons approximately 10 minutes long.  This is designed to be a stand alone class, or to be integrated into a Bible Study Methods/Hermeneutics class, to train students how to use Logos for more effective Bible study.  Morris Proctor, a very gifted teacher who has taught Logos to thousands over the last several years, produced this for use as a textbook for the classroom. 

 

This will be available at an Academic Discount of $144.50 for any faculty who would like a more detailed systematic training.  This is more complete than his DVD on Camp Logos.  Faculty can use this as a springboard for ideas to use in the classroom, but the disk can not be displayed or projected for demonstration in a class unless all the students are required to have a copy as a textbook.    If it is made a required textbook for all the students in a class, then the cost would be $50 each and we would give the faculty teaching the class a ‘desk copy’ at no charge.  We are working on a proficiency test to be able to test students on how well they have learned the basic features and functions of Logos and hope to have that ready in the fall.  We will also be working sample class assignments for each lesson and make them available on a web site accessible only to faculty.

 

Thank You,

Dave

 

[I read that as the cost per student is $50 - David from Logos did not mention minimum class size]   [Logos price is $220 - I wonder how many they would sell at $50 each?]

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