Camp Logos Live DVD worth the Price ???

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Rob Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 21 2011 9:20 PM

Do the manuals cover the same material as the seminars but then add more, is that what you mean by going deeper, Paul?

If that is true, why not just use the manuals? It would be nice to have the video explanation but with the manual I could refer back to specific features easier than finding the right video and listening until it gets to the particular part I am trying to remember. Am I misunderstanding?

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 21 2011 9:32 PM

Rob Davis:
I've seen the manual offered as an item to purchase on Logos. I'm assuming it is the same manual you would receive if you attended the seminar. Is that correct?  Is the manual something you could work through by itself without attending the seminar?

No, it's not the same. You get a free book (well, it's included in your registration cost) at the seminar which is a 101-page spiral-bound book that includes the material covered in the seminar, in bullet-point form, with screenshots.

This is not the same as the 2-volume manual (vol 1: 142pp, vol 2: 131pp) which is offered for sale both at the seminar and on the Logos website. The manual also has an index in the back (which the syllabus doesn't have) so you can look up specific things. You could work your way through the manual without having attended the seminar.

The syllabus is organized in the order of sessions at the seminar. The manual is organized into chapters based on major feature areas in the software.

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Jim VanSchoonhoven | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 21 2011 10:14 PM

I have John Fallahees first two sets for Logos 4 and they are very good, I also have the two manuals on Logos 4 from Morris, and they are very good. I also use all the free videos and find them okay, except for the unoffical Logos videos I think they are very good.

I also bought everything I could find when I was learning Libronix 3.  Here is what is see.  All of the paid for material is very good and worth the money you spend on it.  It is also all different and you can see how different people can use the software differently.  This helps me to think out of the box.

Now when it comes to the Logos Camp Videos although they are over priced, their value is much higher than the asking price not just because of the material being presented, but because it is being presented by a world class teacher!!! 

There is no way I can afford these at the present time, but I would get them if I could, because I know Morris reaches people better than any teacher I have seen in how to use this system.  Morris calmly starts off telling you what he is going to teach you, he than teaches you what he wants to teach you and then ends up reviewing what he taught you.  He does this all in a simple style that this backwoods country hick can understand.  I love him as a teacher, he knows how to make things simple no matter how complex they are.

The videos are nice because you can replay them as often as you need to and it is the same material from his camps, only at a much lower cost by the time you add up all your travel time, food, sleeping arrangement and the cost of the seminar.  Plus if you are like me being able to go back and review the material is priceless!

It was his Libronix camps that encouraged me  to go after my ThD, I am glad I am doing that.

For some folks learning new things is easy, and they can learn how to use Logos 4 without the Camp videos, but for the rest of us Camp Logos 4 is the best and easiest way to learn.  Don't forget his books they supplement the class.

In Christ,

Jim VanSchoonhoven

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Garry Glaub | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 23 2011 8:41 PM

Hi Jim,

I am right with you, my friend.  I attended one of Morris Proctor's seminars for the Libronix version, and it was a powerful tool in opening the software, and aiding my study of the Bible.  I have tried to find a Logos 4 seminar that was nearby, but each time that occurs, I cannot get away from work.  I was hoping that these DVD's would be less expensive, as I don't have an extra $200 to spend.  I have some friends on LOGOS 4 from church.  Maybe I can talk a few of them into splitting the cost and sharing the DVD's. 

Blessings to you, and I pray that God provides a way for you to get these!

Garry

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toughski | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 24 2011 5:07 AM

Well, just to tell you their worth:

I attended Camp1Live seminar for Libronix and bought DVDs for both Camp1 and Camp2 for Libronix.

I also attended Camp2 For Logos4 and bought (prepub) DVDs for Camp2.  they are worth their weight in gold even with today's crazy gold prices Wink

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Gary Shogren | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 2 2011 4:31 PM

I don't mind paying a fair price for Logos books, but over $200 for 9 hours of instruction seems extraordinarily steep, especially when the Camp is roughly the same cost.

A Camp is one thing, but honestly, a manual ordinarily comes WITH THE SOFTWARE. There have been many questions I've had about Logos 4, and while the Forum or the wiki usually get me a good answer, it is hit-and-miss. The issue is, how can one get a useful answer, unless one knows how to frame the question properly? I'm certain that I'm missing much of what is possible within Logos.

"WIndows 7 for Dummies" retails for $27.99, a 400 page book and it comes with a 2-hour DVD. Surely Logos 4 cannot be more complex than Windows 7.

I would even pay good money for a manual, or for a "Logos 4 for Dummies," so long as it was clearly ordered.

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Gary Shogren | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 2 2011 4:34 PM

Re: Camp Logos on DVD 2:

I don't mind paying a fair price for Logos books, but over $200 for 9 hours of instruction seems extraordinarily steep, especially when the Camp is roughly the same cost.

A Camp is one thing (with the costs of food, lodging, speaker, meeting room), but honestly, a manual ordinarily comes WITH THE SOFTWARE. There have been many questions I've had about Logos 4, and while the Forum or the wiki usually get me a good answer, it is hit-and-miss. The issue is, how can one get a useful answer, unless one knows how to frame the question properly?

"WIndows 7 for Dummies" retails for $27.99, a 400 page book and it comes with a 2-hour DVD. Surely Logos 4 cannot be more complex than Windows 7.

I would even pay good money for a manual, or for a "Logos 4 for Dummies," so long as it was clearly ordered.

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Pastor Mark Stevenson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 2 2011 6:20 PM

It is very much worth the price! I have bee to many conferances and Moris really is one of the best teachers I have sat under. The Camp Logos DVDs are more than worth every pennny. The teaching is some of the best in caliber of material let alone insubstance. You can't go wrong ordering these DVD's.

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Gary Shogren | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 2 2011 7:32 PM

Hi Mark, I don't doubt the quality, and the comments about Morris' ability are universally positive. I still don't get why the DVD's are priced so high.

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Rick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 2 2011 9:02 PM

Gary Shogren:
Hi Mark, I don't doubt the quality, and the comments about Morris' ability are universally positive. I still don't get why the DVD's are priced so high.

Hi Gary, this subject has come up in the past and Morris Proctor took the time to post in these forums to answer the price question himself. Unfortunately I have never attended a seminar or seen any of his videos but they sound fantastic. The link to Morris' input is here: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/31752/236478.aspx#236478

Hope this helps you understand the costs in production and then a profit margin.

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Gary Shogren | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 3 2011 12:49 PM

Thanks Rick. I had already assumed that the DVDs must have had high production costs, still it was a good answer.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 3 2011 4:07 PM

Gary

I believe that Morris also said that he did not want to undercut the live seminars, an understandable marketing decision. I think I remember reading that several months ago—or maybe I just dreamed reading it. Geeked

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Ken Shawver | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 3 2011 5:33 PM

Well there is the thought that if the DVDs were lower in cost he might sell exponentially more of them. Also there are so many ways people learn. Many people may go to a seminar because they do better with live interaction and it helps them focus on the topic since they are away from distractions at home. Also if the DVDs were lower those who go to the live Camp Logos might be inclined to buy the DVDs as a refresher that will trigger an "Oh I remember Morris talking about this and this is how we did it".

Unfortunately there aren't any Camp Logos close enough to me to make the cost reasonable (i.e. the cost of the seminar, travel, lodging, food, etc). And right now the DVDs are out of range as well. So there is no revenue at all. I don't know how many others out there are in a similar boat.

Some revenue is better than none, plus the cost of DVDs are so cheap. I know I do CD and DVD duplication and have production boxes that thermal print full color labels and such. A CD - cost only - is $.72 and a DVD - cost only - is just under $1.25. With that said I believe Morris and Logos deserve to make a fair and reasonable profit too.

Just a thought folks, not condeming their price point as it is a business.

In Christ,

Ken

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Anthony Wheeler | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 20 2012 5:27 AM

I bought the DVDs used from a person off of Craigslist, so I got it at a bit of a discount.  I really wasn't sure if I'd find it that valuable because most of what you learn should be easily found in some instruction manual.  However, I have found the DVDs very worthwhile.  Using the DVDs, I am able to go through each of the sections at my own pace rather than trying to drink at the firehose.   Although the cost is steep when compared to attending the seminar in person, it allowed me to save in travel expenses, time off work, time away from family, and etc.

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