Why doesn't Logos offer the book in its format? It would be helpful if the book is in Logos format because it has so much references and footnotes.
Je Ko,
Please also submit the request to suggest@logos.com.
Also, there is a forum for Suggestions .
It doesn't offer it because it would cause too much chaos...LOL...[:P]
[Y] here you go, make your voice heard at: suggest@logos.com
Hope it helps!
I would purchase it. [Y]
Unless you're just out to trash the movement and everyone in it, a more balanced approach can be found in "Strange Fire, Holy Fire: Exploring the Highs and Lows of Your Charismatic Experience" by Michael J. Klassen. It's available in Vyrso for just under $6.
Its a great book and I found it very balanced
Though they don't have his Charismatic Chaos, another book by John MacArthur on this topic that Logos does offer (a pre-order shipping ~ Q4 2013) is Strange Fire: The Danger of Offending the Holy Spirit with Counterfeit Worship. Likely to be mostly critical of the movement with little balance on the positive side, but likely to be similar to Charismatic Chaos for those who were asking for that.
Incidentally Charismatic Chaos only gets 3 1/2 stars (out of a possible 5) on Amazon.com. Strange Fire hasn't been released yet so there is no rating yet, but you can see a preview of it there.
I agree with Alex. MacArthur's book is divisive. Try the book Alex suggested because it's never good to judge something by its abuse.
I love John MacArthur's teachings, been to his conferences, read many of his books, hear his audio sermons, bookmarked his websites, use his commentaries, etc...
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BUT, I disagree with his believe on Cessationism.
though I love "charismatic chaos" book.. his believe on faith healing is just too over the top.
makes some people "dry"
I wasnt aware that J. MacArthur is against Pentecostal/Charismatic. He will never get a penny from me again. Just not sure, does he answer Jesus' question how a demon can cast out a demon. If Pentecostal/Charismatics are of strange fire, then how could they cast out demons, which I witnessed a lot and saw lives changed.
it's never good to judge something by its abuse.
Very true, but you also do not get adequate information by studying its supporters. For a full evaluation, you need both sides. Disclaimer: Have never read Charismatic Chaos, but did purchase Strange Fire, Holy Fire and pre-ordered the MacArthur book.
A very sane reply. Years ago when I was struggling through this, I read from both sides of the fence. You know, as a well-intentioned servant of God, MacArthur is no fool. Perhaps someone may conclude he is wrong some of the time, but many of his points may still be food for thought.
What I think though: in heaven there will be no section for charismatics, and there will be no block for cessationists. When we do get there, every non-essential element of our faith will drop away.
A very sane reply. Years ago when I was struggling through this, I read from both sides of the fence. You know, as a well-intentioned servant of God, MacArthur is no fool. Perhaps someone may conclude he is wrong some of the time, but many of his points may still be food for thought. What I think though: in heaven there will be no section for charismatics, and there will be no block for cessationists. When we do get there, every non-essential element of our faith will drop away.
....... and we won't even need "Faith" any longer, eh??? *smile*
Peace to you! *smile* Just a gentle word .... I don't quite think that Alex said MacArthur's book is divisive. Guess I'll have to re-read his post. He did use strong words, though; so perhaps that's what you are reflecting???
(Just working and looking for a little "precision," eh??? *smile*)
(unless he edited his post and I didn't catch it.....)
edit - 5:14 p.m. Eastern Standard Time -
I guess my real concern is that all of us remain positive and helpful in our sharing and communicating with each other. *smile*
Just now I saw a typo of my own ... I had typed 5:14 Easter Standard Time! Well! I guess that it IS that time also ... until the END of TIME.
Blessings!
How very apt! [:D]
Thanks Milford, point well taken! I was probably reading into what Alex said. Sorry about that. Ok rather than getting into theology now, I'll just say that I know a lot of charismatics who don't do some of the extreme weird things mentioned in the book. In fact, the majority I know don't.
You know what, Milford? I really appreciate your voice of peace and love often expressed on this forum. Please keep going!
Me too, Milford. *smile*
I'd like to raise my hand in support of this idea ... oh, hang on, that's probably not the appropriate response ...
My pastor isn't a fan of MacArthur because of his views on Pentecostal/Charismatic beliefs. Not sure if that's a reason to avoid him.
MacArthur has had a profound influence on me and a role model for my study. My first Logos disc was the MacArthur package.
MacArthur doesn't use a computer. I'm wondering if someone will make that into a theological straw man.
I think it is healthy for us to consider other theological points of view so I would say no, that this is not a reason to avoid him.
I'm not out to "trash" the movement and everyone in it. I trust John MacArthur over any other author/pastor just by his commitment to the Scripture. I can look into Michael Klassen, etc. but I don't have additional time to "look into" unapproved author that I have to do extra research on. Thanks for your suggestion, but your comment goes beyond the scope of my inquiry, which was specifically regarding the book Charismatic Chaos, and not even the issue of the Charismatic frenzy.
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One thing I learned log ago is that reading opposed views can only grow your faith as long as you maintain God's Word at the center of your studies. It is always a good point that anything other than God's inerrant Word, any book written by man can have flaws despite the authors best intentions. Best to focus on where we agree than shooting a brother or sister in Christ.
