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Andrew Chapman | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Apr 15 2011 11:30 AM

New user here.

Is it possible to enter Hebrew words into Logos and get an English translation?  Ex:  יִלְכְדֶךָּ

Is Logos 4 able to translate into English, including verb parsing?

Thanks!

--Andrew

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 15 2011 11:36 AM

Andrew Chapman:

New user here.

Is it possible to enter Hebrew words into Logos and get an English translation?  Ex:  יִלְכְדֶךָּ

Is Logos 4 able to translate into English, including verb parsing?

Thanks!

--Andrew

Welcome Big Smile

Logos 4 does have search capabilities, so could search for Hebrew word.  Also can do a Bible Word Study (BWS) for a Hebrew word that includes how translated.

Also, Logos 4 has several Hebrew Bibles that are tagged morphologically (includes verb parsing), which can be used for Morph Search.

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Andrew Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 15 2011 12:04 PM

I must be doing something wrong.  I type the word into Shibboleth, copy it (including vowel pointings), then paste it into Logos search or BWS and hit enter.  Nothing happens.  No search results.

Any suggestions?

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 15 2011 12:50 PM

What base package do you have? Does it include Hebrew resources?

Also, you say you're a new user. Are you so new that Logos is still indexing? Do you get search results for English words?

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Brent Gay | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 15 2011 1:05 PM

Andrew,

Depending on what you are trying to do, you can type in the way a Hebrew word sounds in English and it will provide you with a drop-down with the actual Hebrew words to choose from. For example, let's say you wanted to do a Bible Word Study (BWS) on the Hebrew word for land (ארץ). Open the BWS and type "h:" followed by the way the word sounds--in this case "eretz", so you would type "h:eretz". You will then see a dropdown where you can select the Hebrew word for land.

Again, not sure if this is what you had in mind, but this may come in handy. Also, you can download a Hebrew keyboard from http://www.logos.com/support/downloads/keyboards.

Brent

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Andrew Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 15 2011 1:11 PM

fgh:

What base package do you have? Does it include Hebrew resources?

Also, you say you're a new user. Are you so new that Logos is still indexing? Do you get search results for English words?

Great questions.  Thanks.  I have the Silver package.  It looks like it does have some great original language resources, but maybe not exactly what I need for this question. 

I purchased Logos a couple months ago, so the indexing is done.  And searches for English words are fine.

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Brent Gay | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 15 2011 1:12 PM

One more thing....You can do the same with Greek by typing "g:". For example, "g:agape" to search for αγαπη (love).

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 15 2011 1:16 PM

Andrew Chapman:
It looks like it does have some great original language resources, but maybe not exactly what I need for this question. 

Are you searching your entire library or Greek resources? If you are searching resources that are in English you'll not get many results. If you post a screen shot of your search we'll likely be able to spot what's wrong.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 15 2011 1:16 PM

In Bible Word Study (and search too), can enter hebrew transliteration (without vowel points), then choose from drop down list.

For example, entered h:yl then clicked a choice:

If reading a Bible, can right click on a word, click lemma, click Bible Word Study (or Morph Search).  For Bible, can use Hebrew Bible, or English Reverse Interlinear (e.g. in Gen 17:12 in ESV, can right click on born, then click lemma, ...). 

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Andrew Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 15 2011 1:49 PM

Brent Gay:

Depending on what you are trying to do, you can type in the way a Hebrew word sounds in English and it will provide you with a drop-down with the actual Hebrew words to choose from. For example, let's say you wanted to do a Bible Word Study (BWS) on the Hebrew word for land (ארץ). Open the BWS and type "h:" followed by the way the word sounds--in this case "eretz", so you would type "h:eretz". You will then see a dropdown where you can select the Hebrew word for land.

This is good.  Thanks.  Sometimes it's hard to transliterate a word well enough for it to show up, but this is a good tip.  Basically what I'm trying to do is double-check with Logos as I translate Hebrew verses word-for-word on paper (for homework, I'm in seminary).  With highly inflected verbs, oftentimes I do a lot of work, only to get nowhere, so if I could type the full verb into Logos and get it translated and parsed, it would save tons of time and energy!

 

Brent Gay:

Also, you can download a Hebrew keyboard from http://www.logos.com/support/downloads/keyboards.

That was another question I had.  I downloaded the Hebrew keyboard, unzipped the file, but that's as far as I was able to get.  Perhaps it has something to do with my OS (Windows 7)?

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Brent Gay | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 15 2011 2:23 PM

Andrew,

I understand; I'm in Seminary as well (Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary). As you mess around with the interface you'll get the feel for it. Sometimes, it is easy to type "c" when you are actually wanting to type "k" for the כ. As far as using it for homework, just open up a Hebrew Bible (BHS with Westminster 4.2 morphology, for example) and simply hover your mouse over the words you want to check out. You will see in the lower left of the window the parsing for the word. You may also find the "Analytical Key to the Old Testament" a handy tool as well.

As far as the keyboard, there should have been a setup.exe file when you unzipped it and a .PDF file with instructions. Be sure to check those out and the keyboard properties within Windows 7. I use Windows 7 as well, and it works fine.

I would suggest you watch all the Logos videos you can to learn the program. It is very powerful, and you will love it when you learn how fully utilize it.

Take care,

Brent

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 15 2011 2:29 PM

Andrew Chapman:

Great questions.  Thanks.  I have the Silver package.  It looks like it does have some great original language resources, but maybe not exactly what I need for this question. 

I purchased Logos a couple months ago, so the indexing is done.  And searches for English words are fine.

Sorry for the 'silly' questions, but half a year here has taught me that, when it comes to new users, most of the time those 'silly' questions provide the answer. But not this time. Smile Silver should be fine. You can try the other suggestions given, or you can try some more basic things:

1) Open your Hebrew Bible.

2) Hover over a word. This should give you the parsing information somewhere on the screen (on Mac it's in the down left corner; I don't know where it is on PC). For Greek it will also give a gloss, but not for Hebrew, unfortunately.

3) Double click on a word. This should open a lexicon to the correct word.

4) Right-click on a word, choose Lemma in the right column, and Search this resource in the left. This should open the Search panel, and run a search for that word in that Bible.

5) Right-click, choose Lemma and Bible Word Study. This should open the BWS to that word. (And as you can see from the screen shot below, right-clicking gives you many other options as well)

If these don't work, something is clearly wrong. If they do, you've just made some minor mistake in your searches, and we could try to figure it out if you give us a screen shot.

Some other options are to open the Information panel (under Tools), or to run an Exegetical Guide for the passage.

EDIT: And there's also interlinears and reverse interlinears.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 15 2011 2:42 PM

Do you have reason to believe that the word יִלְכְדֶךָּ does exist in any of your resources? I can't find it in my Library either. Try a simple word, like davar or Elohim.

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Andrew Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 15 2011 3:41 PM

MJ. Smith:

Are you searching your entire library or Greek resources? If you are searching resources that are in English you'll not get many results. If you post a screen shot of your search we'll likely be able to spot what's wrong.

 

Here's what I see when I copy and paste from Shibboleth.

 

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Andrew Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 15 2011 4:17 PM

Great tips. Thank you. It looks like it will be much easier to go at it this way, rather than trying to type and search for my inflected word.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 15 2011 4:18 PM

Andrew Chapman:
Here's what I see when I copy and paste from Shibboleth.

Do you have a location that you expect to be selected? I can find other words but not this one.

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Andrew Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 15 2011 4:39 PM

MJ. Smith:

Do you have a location that you expect to be selected? I can find other words but not this one.

Sorry, it was a bad example. I copied it from my workbook, but it looks like it's not a word that's in the Hebrew Bible. Sorry. I guess that's Hebrew: you go on these wild goose chases all for naught! But it does look like the best way to hunt for word meanings is to open up the BHS and find the word in the text. And if I'm really feeling ambitious, I can type it into Shibboleth and paste it into Logos.

Thanks, all, for being available and patient with me!

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 15 2011 5:23 PM

fgh:
EDIT: And there's also interlinears and reverse interlinears.

Lexham Hebrew-English Interlinear can show Morphological Codes and transliteration inline:

Pop-ups appear depending on mouse location to explain Morphological Codes plus more.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 15 2011 5:55 PM

Andrew Chapman:

New user here.

Is it possible to enter Hebrew words into Logos and get an English translation?  Ex:  יִלְכְדֶךָּ

Is Logos 4 able to translate into English, including verb parsing?

Thanks!

--Andrew

Where did you find this.  While it seems to be a Qal Impf 3 sg of  לכד with a 2 m sg suff, the 2nd suff is not found in the OT with that verb.

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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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