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John McComb | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 17 2009 12:28 PM

John McComb:

I notice that you've done this with the main thread links in the forum categories. So either you responded to my request or it was like that before and I just didn't notice. If the former than thankyou for your prompt attention. If the later then no matter, it's not a demand but I'm glad it's done.

Anyway, could you now please do the same thing with the "Last Post" links? That way the user's browser keeps track and gives him/her a quick visual clue of which posts are new and which have already been read. I know you have an "Unread Post" function on your main page and I applaud that effort but I personally find it a little awkward and prefer just to browse the categories the way I've become used to in other forums. I'm sure there must be some others out there who feel the same way. Visual clues in the links themselves would be very helpful.

Actually I take that back. Now I'm noticing that the thread links revert to the "unread" color every time somebody adds a new post. That kind of defeats the purpose. Alternate colors are only helpful if you can see if it's a thread that you've previously read. The "last post" links should change color when somebody adds a post. This should work with a simple change to the style sheet(s) since each new post should have an unique link.

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polo3 | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 17 2009 5:16 PM

Yes, I prefer Web Forum to NNTP newsgroups.  Much better.  But I believe the forum need to be organized, searchable and sortable

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 17 2009 5:25 PM

JoanKorte:
For me, the forum approach is far better.  Just don't make me add my picture.

Joan - find a picture of something other than yourself to include as a picture.  I have this picture I found somewhere of a snake coming out of a computer in front of a pastor.  I thought it was very fitting a number of years ago - as one considers the content and the availability of the Internet.  I am reminded of the temptation that it presents to each of us.  Perhaps you can find a picture or symbol that you might like posting - even though it is not a picture of you.

Blessings,

Floyd

Blessings,
Floyd

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John McComb | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 17 2009 6:38 PM

Floyd Johnson:

I have this picture I found somewhere of a snake coming out of a computer in front of a pastor.  I thought it was very fitting a number of years ago - as one considers the content and the availability of the Internet.  I am reminded of the temptation that it presents to each of us.  Perhaps you can find a picture or symbol that you might like posting - even though it is not a picture of you.

What? You mean that's not you?

I think it's reprehensible that anybody would even consider posting a picture that was anything but a photograph of themselves.

Yours in Christ

John

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 17 2009 6:52 PM

I never said it was not me - just that Joan did not need to use  her picture.  If you assumed that this wasn't my picture, then I will just leave you with that assumption. Smile

Blessings,
Floyd

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 17 2009 7:45 PM

Bob Pritchett:

I'm interested in your feedback on our new web forums.

Do you prefer this to the NNTP newsgroups? Are there advantages/disadvantages?

I think it's broken again.  It no longer goes to the most recent post.

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Andrew Nugteren | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 17 2009 8:35 PM

Yep, it's broken again all right.  Disappointing.  Hope it can get fixed soon, as without it, the forum is quite unworkable.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 4:26 AM

George Somsel:

[I think it's broken again.  It no longer goes to the most recent post.

I believe the problem exists with the number of pages in this thread. The forum software does not seem to work well if the thread exceeds 4 pages.

 

Jack

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Brad Fry | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 6:08 AM

I like it myself. But I never got into the newsgroups as much as some other Logos users. I hated it when the Southwest Conference bit the dust. But now--go Big XII!

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 7:21 AM

JackCaviness:
I believe the problem exists with the number of pages in this thread. The forum software does not seem to work well if the thread exceeds 4 pages.

Well, I have the problem even on one page threads like the "Libronix v.4" one.

 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 7:27 AM

BradFry:
I hated it when the Southwest Conference bit the dust. But now--go Big XII!

I'm a Big 10 guy myself.  Raised in Indiana so it's IU in basketball and Purdue [PU Smile]in football.

george
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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 9:31 AM

George Somsel:
I'm a Big 10 guy myself.  Raised in Indiana so it's IU in basketball and Purdue [PU Smile]in football.
A Penn State man myself.. go LionsYes

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David Ladiges | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 9:35 AM

We decided to go with the main topic link going to the start of the thread and the Latest Post date link going to, well, the latest post.

Don't mean to be switching this around all the time, but we needed an easy way for new viewer of a thread to see the starting post and for those who have followed a thread for days (like this one) to be able to quickly catch up on the most recent comments.

If there were a simple way to link to a viewer's first unread post, we would probably try to link there, but recording the last post each viewer has read and adjusting links on the fly to display that isn't supported in this forum software. The reasoning behind that is that displaying different links to each viewer makes it hard to cache pages and greatly decreases performance.

So try the link that is on the Latest Post date and you should be able to reach the recent comments in one click once again.

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John McComb | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 10:07 AM

David Ladiges:

If there were a simple way to link to a viewer's first unread post, we would probably try to link there, but recording the last post each viewer has read and adjusting links on the fly to display that isn't supported in this forum software. The reasoning behind that is that displaying different links to each viewer makes it hard to cache pages and greatly decreases performance.

You could do it with sessions and cookies (and perhaps local, private user data if you felt ambitious) but I wouldn't call that solution simple. On the other hand I'm a little confused as to why it would cause caching problems or why you're caching pages at all. Just build the page on each refresh and deliver it. Let the user's browser do the caching.

Anyway, I suppose you know a lot more about how your site does its duty than I do. I might suggest that routing the last post link to the top of the last page instead of directly to the last post might make it more intuitive for users. If you gotta scroll then you gotta scroll. It seems to me to that it is more natural to scroll forwards than to scroll backwards. It's easier to locate the first of the unread posts that way.

Please fix your spell checker (if, in fact, that's what it is). Your editor is underlining perfectly good contractions and missing actual spelling errors.

Please fix your style sheets such that the thread link is only highlighted if you've never read the thread before and the last post link is highlighted whenever a new post is added.

 

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John McComb | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 10:16 AM

Joe Miller:

A Penn State man myself.. go LionsYes

You are? Good, maybe you can solve a life long mystery for me. What on earth is a "Nittany Lion"? Is it more like an "African Lion", a "Mountain Lion" or a "Dandelion"? I know it's nothing like a "Detroit Lion" because once in a while they will win a game but I'm still confused.

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 10:48 AM

David Ladiges:
We decided to go with the main topic link going to the start of the thread and the Latest Post date link going to, well, the latest post.
thanks for the hint.  that makes sense to me.

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 10:52 AM

John McComb:
maybe you can solve a life long mystery for me. What on earth is a "Nittany Lion"?
 The Lion itself is a mountain lion/cougar; which live in the area.  The name "Nittany" comes from the Indian tribe that lived in the valley where the campus now resides.  In the area, there is a "Mount Nittany" as well.

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 10:56 AM

I should also mention that in Pennsylvania, it is quite common to name rivers, streets, and even cities after Indian tribes or using Indian names.  So outside of the area, I am not surprised most folks do not understand the Native American naming tradition, but in PA, it is quite natural.

Out here in Seattle, we do the same thing... lots of long, and sometimes hard to say, Indian names.Cool

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John McComb | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 12:56 PM

Joe Miller:

I should also mention that in Pennsylvania, it is quite common to name rivers, streets, and even cities after Indian tribes or using Indian names.  So outside of the area, I am not surprised most folks do not understand the Native American naming tradition, but in PA, it is quite natural.

Out here in Seattle, we do the same thing... lots of long, and sometimes hard to say, Indian names.Cool

I think it's like that everywhere, isn't it? It certainly is in Canada, especially on the west coast where the native cultural history is so rich.

I can understand the complaints about white civilization that native people have but I wish they make an effort recognize the tributes that European culture gives to their history, particularly in the area of sport franchise names. Naming a team like (for instance) "The Braves" after a native tradition is not a slight, it's a compliment (Although I have to confess that I hate that "tomahawk chop" chant that the fans do. I think it's very insulting).

Thanks for sharing that. Another piece of trivia that I can  pedantically flaunt when engaging in gridiron chatter.

 

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Andrew Nugteren | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2009 2:27 PM

David Ladiges:
If there were a simple way to link to a viewer's first unread post, we would probably try to link there, but recording the last post each viewer has read and adjusting links on the fly to display that isn't supported in this forum software.

If I am trying to follow a thread in its entirety, how does it help me to jump to the most recent comments... potentially missing out on many comments that have been made between when I last viewed a thread and when I view it next?  Then I have to go back through previous posts to try to reconstruct where I read up to last, and that is not user friendly.

In all honesty, I think the inability for you to do what we would like probably means you need better forum software.  Nearly every other forum on the web can personalise my own "first unread post" in a thread, so why is a leading software company like Logos making do with a very much 2nd-best solution?

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