NASB Paragraph Formatting

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, May 26 2011 6:00 PM

Is there any way to get my NASB95 to be paragraph formatted? As it is, it separates each verse as a paragraph, but I would really like to have the normal paragraph formatting like it is in my Bible, or even as it is shown on BibleGateway.com

I was also thinking if it is too difficult to change the current NASB95 that everyone might have, to be able to offer the current NASB95 as a 2 volume instead of a single. Then this update would be propagated to those who currently own NASB95. I would imagine that this wouldn't be that difficult of a transition since the current NASB95 has the paragraphs marked by Bold Verse indicators.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 26 2011 7:29 PM

Ryan Hamre:
I was also thinking if it is too difficult to change the current NASB95 that everyone might have, to be able to offer the current NASB95 as a 2 volume instead of a single.

The resource formatting cannot be changed in L4; and I doubt an alternative version would be produced simply for readability concerns.

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 26 2011 7:33 PM

It would seem to me that it would be a pretty simple development. Since the sections in the resource already have the paragraph breaks noted, then wouldn't you do a massive, delete all paragraph breaks, and then insert paragraph break after bold verse number, and then finally unbold verse number?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 26 2011 9:39 PM

Ryan Hamre:
It would seem to me that it would be a pretty simple development.

I suspect that it would require additional licensing to produce the resource in a different format.

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 27 2011 7:44 AM

I don't see how this is a big change, or one that requires additional licensing.

If someone simply had the complete NASB text and Microsoft Word, one could do a one-liner find and replace to insert paragraphs and unbold verses. All of this would take under a single hour. I'm very sure that Libronox books are at a much higher complexity than a simple Microsoft Word document, but it is still text and tags at the highest level. It leads me to believe that a programmer can 1-liner this change in a very very short amount of time.

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 27 2011 3:27 PM

Ryan Hamre:
I don't see how this is a big change, or one that requires additional licensing.

Generally a license is to produce a resource as it is in it's original form - not adding comments, changing structure etc. Logos has mentioned several times that they can't even change metadata for consistency within Logos because they license rather than own the data.

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 4 2011 9:41 PM

I still want this... just FYI.

So if someone wants to really go the extra mile, it would be appreciated. :)

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 4 2011 9:57 PM

Ryan:

I still want this... just FYI.

So if someone wants to really go the extra mile, it would be appreciated. :)

It appears you can do it yourself for free if you follow this post and format it as a Personal Book; you just need to update to the 4.3 beta to do this.

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 23 2011 5:54 PM

Dave Hooton:

Ryan:

I still want this... just FYI.

So if someone wants to really go the extra mile, it would be appreciated. :)

It appears you can do it yourself for free if you follow this post and format it as a Personal Book; you just need to update to the 4.3 beta to do this.

I don't think any reproduced PBB Bible is going to be as reliable, streamlined, and functional as what is released by Logos Bible Software. That being said, I don't understand why putting the bible in paragraph format would fall on my shoulders anyway.

In my library of Bibles, the only Bibles I have in NASB is a pre-95 edition. I don't understand why this would be in non-paragraph format.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 23 2011 6:31 PM

Ryan:
I don't think any reproduced PBB Bible is going to be as reliable, streamlined, and functional as what is released by Logos Bible Software.

On what do you base that?  Have you attempted a PB bible?

 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 23 2011 6:33 PM

Ryan:
I don't see how this is a big change, or one that requires additional licensing.

It is my understanding the the NASB does not distinguish paragraph breaks, but is in the tradition of the KJV. I know that Zondervan sells NASB bible's in paragraph form. If my first premise is correct, than a separate license would be required to use the Zondervan text. Currently, this is NOT the text that Logos is using. Notice the two screen shots below:

 

 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 23 2011 6:37 PM

Ryan:
I don't understand why this would be in non-paragraph format.

As I stated before, the NASB base text is not in paragraph form. It follows the KJV as line by line.

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 7 2011 6:38 PM

So then what you're saying is that a request should be made for a new NASB Bible license that is in Paragraph spacing?

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LaRosa Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 7 2011 6:53 PM

Actually, the NASB does have "paragraph" information. The bold verse number marks a new paragraph. The version that WORDsearch has is from the Lockman Foundation & has paragraph formatting. Plus, my print Bible is from Cambridge & has paragraph formatting, with no Zondervan copyright, just the Lockman one. Smile

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 7 2011 7:01 PM

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I just want my NASB Bible in Logos to have Paragraph spacing. I know it's there in Logos represented by the Bold Numbers... and it would be simple for Logos to programmatically build a new NASB with paragraphs, but between all the previous replies, no one has given any indication of movement on this at all.

There's a reason virtually NONE of the new Bibles being manufactured are verse by verse...

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 7 2011 7:11 PM

Ryan - It seems to me like you are complaining because your vanilla ice cream isn't chocolate. The NASB translators wanted to de-emphasize the paragraph breaks. If you don't like that, switch to another translation. Might I recommend the ESV?

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 7 2011 7:17 PM

Actually it seems that I'm a customer, who has invested thousands of dollars in Bible software, that sits and studies God's word, with a physical Bible next to my computer, because of ease of readability instead of a half a chapter taking up the full height of a 21" monitor on max resolution.

I'm willing to pay for it, as I'm sure many other are, as I'm sure you're aware of current physical Bibles, and the great difficulty that it actually is in finding a paragraph formatted NASB.

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 7 2011 7:29 PM

Ryan:
If someone simply had the complete NASB text and Microsoft Word, one could do a one-liner find and replace to insert paragraphs and unbold verses.

I'm showing my ignorance here, but what is a "one-liner find and replace"?

Thanks.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 7 2011 7:30 PM

Ryan - I hope Logos is able to accommodate you, but I would not get my hopes up. It would seem to me that there is a licensing issue, and also a lack of interest. Otherwise, there would not be (in your words):

Ryan:
the great difficulty that it actually is in finding a paragraph formatted NASB.

Either the demand is not there, or there is a resistance on behalf of the copyright holders. Either way, my guess is that you might be waiting a while. Sad

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 7 2011 9:35 PM

Ronald Quick:
I'm showing my ignorance here, but what is a "one-liner find and replace"?

A "one-liner find and replace" would be where you would take characteristics of the document, and based on the desired search and whatnot... do a bulk scan over the entire contents and replace accordingly.

So for their version of the NASB, they would do a search for the contents of the bold Verse numbers, and replace the verse number with an unbold, but then insert the programmatic syntax of a Logos Book "carriage return".

It's basically a big find and replace.

If you're familiar with SQL, it would be a SQL query.

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