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Ryan D. Garner | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2009 4:17 PM
I realize that libronix is far to large a program for to squeeze onto an Iphone. However, I am on the go and often find a few minutes here and there to read, but most of my library is on my laptop. I would just like to start a bandwagon for any and all who would like to jump on to let the Logos team know if you would be interested in an iphone/smartphone app that can convert the resource files down in order to have some basic reading functionality on the go. I think I would pay at least $20 for such an application. My phone is so much easier to tote around when I am wanting to do some simple reading. I would love to hear from some others.
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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 15 2009 4:46 PM

RyanDGarner:
I realize that libronix is far to large a program for to squeeze onto an Iphone. However, I am on the go and often find a few minutes here and there to read, but most of my library is on my laptop. I would just like to start a bandwagon for any and all who would like to jump on to let the Logos team know if you would be interested in an iphone/smartphone app that can convert the resource files down in order to have some basic reading functionality on the go. I think I would pay at least $20 for such an application. My phone is so much easier to tote around when I am wanting to do some simple reading. I would love to hear from some others.

I think you should get one of those old Compac portables to carry around with you.  You know what I mean -- the ones that were about the size of a sewing machine. 

Seriously though, don't you think they have enough on their plates at the moment?  People want to be able to read resources on the Kindle; they want to have it ported to Linux; they want many features in the upcoming version 4, they want NxNxN new resources.  Hold your fire !  Give them a chance to accomplish a few things rather than simply piling more on top.

george
gfsomsel

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Dr. Charles A. Wootten | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 15 2009 7:04 PM

Ick!Now there's an idea! Let's all chime in to help The Company become involved in making TOYS!!

I watched a demo of the iPhone last week via Steve Bass' TechBite newsletter linking to http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/guidedtour/. While I can see its potential, it is still a toy. Nobody takes THAT many pictures, or watches THAT many videos, and do all those things that takes away the use of one hand almost permanently -- yet the perky Apple girl wants us to think that's the way life is at the moment. No wonder the socialists sneaked in: we were too busy going cross-eyed with flashing, whirling screens to notice that The World was still slithering along.

Diatribe aside, the thing has potential. It'll get there.

And George is correct in saying to them a chance to accomplish a few things. Sometimes diversification in business is not a good idea for some types of business.

Just my $.02.

{charley}

running Logos Bible Software 6.0a: Collector's Edition on HP e9220y (AMD Phenom II X4 2.60GHz 8.00GB 64-bit Win 7 Pro SP1) & iPad (mini) apps.

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Ryan D. Garner | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 15 2009 10:21 PM

I shall take a moment to reply to both who have made comments. First I want to apologize. I was not my intent to come across as demanding or unhappy with what Logos is doing. I realized that they are certainly busy trying to accomplish all that they are trying to do. I respect that greatly. Along with that I am patient. It takes a great deal of time develop software. On that note, Logos is a software development company. In light of that, it seems that they would be interested in knowing what its customer base is looking for. 

As for as my "Toy" goes, I have found it to be very practical/functional. I like listening to music, I have about 5 calendars I have to keep up with, I track mileage, am able to read many different versions of the bible when needed, can listen to different speakers while on the road traveling over my audio system, check something on the internet,  I do a great deal of communication via email, communication via texting is essential as my responsibilities require me to be in locations that do not have great reception and the list could go on. Along with that I am the father of three young children and we have found the camera on this type of phone to be very handy for those moments where our "real" camera is not handy. And if I did have the newer phone with a video camera I would be all over filming our kids to send footage to grandparents who are 12 hours away. So i guess it is a Digital Camera, Digital Video Camera, personal music device, handheld computor, cell phone . . . all in one. Much easier to carry that all those other things.

All that to say this. It amazes me that we are able to fit many of the functions of a desktop computer into a handheld device. While Libronix is geared towards a study/research based software, the library that came in my box set some 6 years ago contains books that would be very beneficial to read. Many of the titles have nothing to do with the typical study for sermon prep, but more to do with leadership or life application. When sitting at my laptop to use Libronix my schedule only allows me to do the research I need to at the time. I am not about to for certain books in book form because they are in my digital library. So, currently, I either have to print the books on paper, ouch!, or make sure I have my laptop out anytime I want to simply ready a book from that library. 

So, I am simply looking for a way to better utilize the books in my digital Library that are collecting dust. I can't help but imagine that there are others out there who would benefit from that. If that happens to be manifested in software that converts these books into the Amazon Kindle, great. I have an app for that :) 

Needless to say, I am looking forward to advancements in what Logos can do in this area. They are very capable and like any company, if there is enough interest they will check it out. So her am I, interested. Am I alone?

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Jim Dean | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 16 2009 4:38 AM

Thank you, Ryan, for your very gracious response and explanation.

I concur with your sentiments.  I'm not an Apple guy, nor do I have an iPod or iPhone ... but boy oh boy do I enjoy my Blackberry Bold !  OK - don't worry - no debates about the merits of one pda over another will ensue!

However, for those who aren't aware of it, pda's (personal digital assistants) now are available at very low cost that are integral with your phone.  They provide a "constant companion" in a way that laptops or netbooks just can't.

For example, I am continually encouraged throughout my day by using my BB as a music player ... if no one else (who objects) is around, I can use it's speakers ... or if I need more privacy, wireless bluetooth headphones do the trick nicely.  I've got 16GB storage, with hundreds of Christian music tracks, and a complete audio Bible.  I found a $100 gizmo from Motorola that lets me tie the BB output directly into my car stereo. 

Also, I use it for Bible reading, and brief study lookups, when time and circumstances permit.  I've a (limited) copy of Olive Tree Bible software on it ... they source a lot of their stuff from Logos, and afaik their CEO is good friends with BobP.  It's a fantastic tool.

To say nothing of the fact that I get all my email pop'd over to the pda, and have decent web access on its 480x320 screen.  I've responded to quite a few posts on this forum from that device.  It's got a full qwerty keyboard - "two-thumbed" (not ten fingered) is the "pro" way to go on a pda :~))

OK ... apologies ... I sorta got carried away there.  I'm 58 years old and NEVER do any texting or play any video games.  I wouldn't call myself a person who is particularly "in touch" with the mindset and gadgets of the present generation.  However this technology has really helped me in two ways:

1. to be singing and make melody in my heart to the Lord, throughout the day

2. to redeem the limited time (on earth) that He's given me, and to use it more effectively in His service.

So ... "advertisement" is over ... I'd encourage any of you who have not seriously considered this technology to do so, with a focus on USING it to help enhance your Spirit-directed lives.

For His glory!

Jim

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Redeeming the time (Eph.5:16+Col.4:5) ...
Jim Dean

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Esther Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 16 2009 5:14 AM

What he said ^^^.

I only have a Pearl, but would love to see an app that let us read on our smartphones.

Oh, and texting is OK.  It's how I keep in touch with my kids, which is a really great way of serving the Lord.  I work two jobs and go to school (and need to get another job if possible), so my phone really, really helps me do all that God has asked me to do.

An app please?

Esther

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Chuck Lindsey | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 16 2009 7:57 AM

If you get the opportunity check out Mantis Bible Software (www.mantisbible.com) for the iPhone and iPod Touch platform. Excellent Bible study software on the go. You can take notes and back them up to their servers (free) and then download them to your laptop or whatever to be inserted into notes ect..

They have hundreds of resources available (adding more all the time) and the support is absolutely incredible.

Like Logos the reader (which comes with KJV) is free to download and all the features are enabled and free to use. You pay for the modules you need and they download straight to the device. I have been using it now for over a year and Beta testing it for almost a year and it's great, really great.

 

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 17 2009 5:02 AM

Charles Lindsey:

If you get the opportunity check out Mantis Bible Software (www.mantisbible.com) for the iPhone and iPod Touch platform. Excellent Bible study software on the go. You can take notes and back them up to their servers (free) and then download them to your laptop or whatever to be inserted into notes ect..

They have hundreds of resources available (adding more all the time) and the support is absolutely incredible.

Like Logos the reader (which comes with KJV) is free to download and all the features are enabled and free to use. You pay for the modules you need and they download straight to the device. I have been using it now for over a year and Beta testing it for almost a year and it's great, really great.

 

Hey guys, finally somebody is speaking about "my" subject I raised a few times here Smile I use iPhone (it is not a toy for me!) it is a real serious working tool Cool

I use emails, texting all the time (as everybody here in Europe) I listen to music, both directly or via my car, I use Mantis Bible Software (I like it but... Logos would be way much better to have). I totally agree, we can't demand it, we know Logos is just flooded with all the other suggestion. (For me also Czech Bibles in Logos would be much higher priority than iPhone/PDA reader). But I think just letting Logos know what we like is good for them.

Speaking a lot about the Kindle on this forum, you have to think globally and Kindle is "just" American thing for now. I am sorry for that. iPhone, PDA and other ebook readers (Sony etc.) are global.

The only thing I am considering what would compete the iPhone/PDA idea, would be a really light Netbooks starting from the SSD disk in a seconds like my iPhone and I can run full-blood Logos on that. I would take this for anything else. But that is a hardware question, not really Logos thing, except Logos would remember we can run it on a really small netbooks, so to have a better reader option included in a new version of Logos would be nice. We talked about that already in a different forum. That's just IMHO.

Bohuslav

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Don | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 17 2009 6:34 AM
Bohuslav Wojnar:

(For me also Czech Bibles in Logos would be much higher priority than iPhone/PDA reader).

Is this too old a translation? Podle Puvodního Vydání Kralického (1579 Czech Bible)
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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 17 2009 8:14 AM

Yes, Bible of Kralitz is from 1579 and it has been a powerful tool of God for our nation since the times of the Unitas Fratrum (Czech United Brethren). It had been very unique for it's time because it was done as Six Volume Edition also with many translation notes. The situation is very similar to KJV. There are still people who would not take any other translation into account. However, for unchurched, secular people, especially for younger people, it's language is just too archaic.

We have now some good new translations and I just hope Logos will put them to the libronix format soon. You can read about it in this forum. The thing is, pbb Bibles (made by Personal Book Builder) are not equal to the libronix Bibles in many aspects.

Bohuslav

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 18 2009 9:59 AM

Be looking for Laridian's new iPhone reader.  Their current one is only an online interface but they are currently working on the app that will allow you to use it offline and on a touch.  It blows all the other iPhone Bible apps out of the water and I have only used the first beta.

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 18 2009 3:06 PM

Dr. Charles A. Wootten:
While I can see its potential, it is still a toy.

Keep in mind that there is a difference between the way you do things and the way others do things. As a pastor, I have found my iPhone useful for a host of reasons. Photos and videos among them, but only as secondary items. Other aspects of the iPhone have made it quite useful and helpful to me, and I know I am far from a minority.

And for Logos, an iPhone reader makes sense. I suspect the primary issue is less the technology, which would not be terribly difficult at this point, and more licensing, whether or not publishing companies would allow Logos to set up mobile readers. Working out an agreement with publishers would be far more difficult than writing the iPhone app.

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 18 2009 4:01 PM

Chris Roberts:
And for Logos, an iPhone reader makes sense.

For you maybe - but for me it would make more sense for them to develop an app for Windows Mobil (i.e. Pocket PC).  I suspect that others would find a Palm, Blackberry, or Kindle a better choice.

What would really make sense would be for LOGOS to use a file format that can be read and managed on a number of devices.  PDF is one possibility - but there are others:

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Another possibility would be HTML - though the file size would need to be larger than what is now allowed by the HTML export functionality.

I would think asking that LOGOS develop a separate reader for each of these different portable devices would be a bit out of line.  Finding a common file format that could be used by all these makes more sense.

Blessings,

Floyd

 PS - A bit off topic, but in all fairness, I should let you know that the above graphic was created using a free on-line program from "gliffy.com".  It is an attempt to be a free Visio clone.  The free version is very adequate for the occassional image (like above).  The paid version for a single user is a nominal $5 per month. 

 

Blessings,
Floyd

Pastor-Patrick.blogspot.com

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Ryan D. Garner | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 18 2009 8:08 PM

I am all for a universal platform. Does not have to be specifically Iphone. I recall another forum suggesting that they are kind of trying to get a feel for what platform will rise to the top. It only seems to be good stewardship of resources to not try to make a specific program for every type of portable device.

Also, thanks for the suggested apps in regards to bible tools I'll check into those. I am still wanting to make clear that my particular desire is to be able to take a book or two off of my digital shelf and read it when I have some extra time. There has been some discussion in other forums on licensing issues. Could it be that you purchase the universal platform that requires your license and registration for the main software to prevent mass distribution of any material. Some of the suggestions on platforms would require me to purchase the books I want to read. I may decide to add to my library in the future, but I have a whole host of titles that I have not even had the chance to look at. I really do not want purchase them in another format. I am willing to pay for the universal program or app that will convert/transfer books from my library onto my phone for reading as I go. However, I do not want to re-purchase the right to read these title if I already have them. I hope that makes sense.

In other words, I would love a program that requires my current license in order to even convert/transfer a book into a readable format onto my portable device. In my opinion it would not even need the research abilities. I just want to read them. I would pay for that platform. Doesn't seem any different than being the soul user  of a license and having it on 2 computers. 

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 18 2009 8:13 PM

RyanDGarner:
In other words, I would love a program that requires my current license in order to even convert/transfer a book into a readable format onto my portable device. In my opinion it would not even need the research abilities. I just want to read them. I would pay for that platform. Doesn't seem any different than being the soul user  of a license and having it on 2 computers. 

Absolutely.  As I have said before, I am less hesitant to use the built in tools - be it printing or exporting, to accomplish this.  But making it a transparent operation that could transport entire books would only make it better.

Blessings,

Floyd

Blessings,
Floyd

Pastor-Patrick.blogspot.com

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Matt B | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 18 2009 9:01 PM

Does anyone know if the reason nothing has gone portable is technological, financial, or rights/contract based? I can imagine that when Libronix negotiated with publishers- phones and kindles were not even seriously considered. Maybe that holds back getting them on there?

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 18 2009 9:31 PM

MattBarclay:

Does anyone know if the reason nothing has gone portable is technological, financial, or rights/contract based? I can imagine that when Libronix negotiated with publishers- phones and kindles were not even seriously considered. Maybe that holds back getting them on there?

I think it's the fact that there haven't been many sun spots recently.  Wink

george
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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 19 2009 5:24 AM

Floyd Johnson:
What would really make sense would be for LOGOS to use a file format that can be read and managed on a number of devices.  PDF is one possibility

Absolutely wouldn't happen. No way publishers would allow PDF, HTML, or any other such format.

Floyd Johnson:
 I suspect that others would find a Palm, Blackberry, or Kindle a better choice.

Kindle is a separate issue. It would be easy, in a sense, for Logos to release on the Kindle. But Logos will never be allowed to do so. Amazon works with publishers, not software companies, to put material on the Kindle. You do not develop software for the Kindle, you release books on the Kindle. And Logos would never have permission to release books to Amazon for use on the Kindle. 

As for other mobile platforms, the iPhone still makes the most sense. In part because Logos already has a Mac version of Libronix. This would simplify writing an iPhone client since code would port better. Even easier, I imagine, than porting code from the Windows version to a Windows Mobile platform.

But besides coding issues, it makes sense from a user and application perspective. It would be silly to argue that any other phone type of device does applications better than the iPhone. It is an easy device on which to run applications. Besides that, its popularity gives wide market appeal. It is popular among the same market Logos would want to attract with their products. Yes, a lot more people use a Windows Mobile based device than an iPhone, but I daresay most of those people would not be as interested in adding applications to their phone as an iPhone user would be. The popularity of the iPhone App store helps illustrate the point.

But I don't expect to see Logos on any mobile device anytime soon. The licensing issues are the main deal breaker. I don't foresee Logos getting agreement from all of the publishers to put books on a mobile device. 

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Ryan D. Garner | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 19 2009 12:15 PM

Here is my beef with the licensing issue, which has more to do with the book publishers than libronix. It is almost as if I bought a hard copy of a book and am being told I can only read it in the confines of my office. The luxury of having a hard copy of a book is being able to take it with you wherever you go and read it when you want to.  If they started restricting where you could read a purchased book people would riot. 

So, again, make me use my license and registration from the software in order to load a book or two at a time, I'm ok with that. Make me pay a one time fee for the program to convert to smaller file and readable text so I can put them on my phone,  I'm ok with that too. But please don't make me pay for a book I have already purchased the rights to read. And please, publishers, don't tell me I can only read that book within the confines of my laptop. 

These are just thoughts, I appreciate all that everyone has to stay. Thanks for keeping this discussion going. 

 

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Rev. Wayne Paul Barrett | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 21 2009 9:39 PM

If all you want to do is read resources on your iPhone, there are several options:

Do a passage guide or or other search and copy and paste the resources into a Word Doc. Then use a file tranfer app like Filevault (my favorite) or, if you need to edit the file (copy/paste etc.) try using QuickWord (purchased alone or as part of QuickOffice).

Of course these are all work-arounds, but if all you want to do is read resources or copy and paste together resources, it works.

Hope this helps.

 

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