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Michael G. Halpern | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jul 16 2011 1:34 PM

Also posted in "Logos 4 Mac" forum...

Logos Bible Software being the primary usage, which platform would you choose, and why, if money wasn't an issue?

I have two basic, but equal concerns:  Using LBS in a portable fashion and reading through the hundreds of books (cover-to-cover) that I own.

I use an iMac at home primarily for study, but need portability for church, Bible study groups, etc.  I also anticipate purchasing an iPhone 5 by the years end, which allows me a quick and easy access to God's Word, but not so much to using multiple resources as I do in home church and group Bible study.  I've been using an Acer Netbook, but it is excruciatingly painfully slow.

I would love to hear from any and all, but especially those who might be using both, the iPad and a Mac Air.

Please add any additional thoughts you may have that I should consider as I pursue this purchase.

Thank you,

Michael

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Paul N | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 16 2011 1:57 PM

Ill post on the other thread...

 

 

(I've always wanted to do that! Stick out tongue)

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Greg Masone | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 16 2011 2:05 PM

Paul Newsome:

Ill post on the other thread...

 

 

(I've always wanted to do that! Stick out tongue)

I see what you did there Hmm

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Paul N | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 16 2011 2:08 PM

Ok kidding aside,

I really think Apple has created a nitch with the iPad.  I was a skeptic until I saw the value of using it as an ebook reader.  There's something pseudo-romantic (not real romantic like a real book) about reading books on a tablet rather than flipping up a screen.  To be honest I like the idea of a device that can't do too much.  The Macbook Air is still a laptop, although a very slick one.  If I have access to it I can tell you now I won't be reading my books.

Logos' iPad app does just enough of what the desktop program does to not miss my desktop for too long.  I would just make sure to get the 32 or 64 GB model in case space becomes and issue.

As of right now I have 259 Logos resources in offline mode on my iPad including 6 commentary sets and I don't think it even put a dent in my available space.

If given the choice between the two, I would go with the iPad

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 16 2011 3:28 PM

Thankful for many improvements in Logos app and anticipating more (e.g. highlighting and notes).

Looking forward to higher resolution iPad display => http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/07/07/apple_again_rumored_to_grow_ipad_family_with_hd_model_and_pro_apps.html

Likewise responded in other thread => iPad or Mac Air if $$$ Not an Issue?

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MJD | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 16 2011 3:44 PM

I have both the Ipad 64GB and the MB Air with 128GB SSD with 4 GB Ram.  The MB Air is the clear choice if you only want one in my opinion. 

The MB Air has all my resources resident on the hard drive and no internet needed.  The Ipad is a nice reader if you want to just read and not due a lot searching, but you don't have access to all your resources, even if you are on the internet due limited license agreements.  The Ipad is tedious to download each book you want to remain on the Ipad while offline.

Bear in mind that doing a search on the MB Air it is not as fast as my PC base laptop.  But, the form factor of the MB Air is AMAZING!

Lots to think about... but the over all winner for me is = StarBuy them Both if $$$$ are truly not the issue!

 

 

 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 16 2011 4:10 PM

Michael G. Halpern:

which platform would you choose, and why, if money wasn't an issue?

Michael - Since money is not an issue, buy both and give me the one you don't end up using Big Smile

Michael G. Halpern:

I have two basic, but equal concerns:  Using LBS in a portable fashion and reading through the hundreds of books (cover-to-cover) that I own.

When the iPad app catches up with features like highlighting, it will be a great way to read your resources. The iPad would be my recommendation unless you plan to do in depth study. I have both an iMac and a MacBook Pro and like being able to take my studies with me on my laptop.

In short: the iPad for reading; the MacBook Air for portable study.

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Christopher Sanchez | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 17 2011 6:00 AM

I cannot speak to the Mac but I have a 64 GB WiFi iPad2 and LOVE it!  I have over 500 of my resources available offline and add others all the time.  It is a very good mobile choice for me.

Chris

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 17 2011 7:42 AM

Michael G. Halpern:

I use an iMac at home primarily for study, but need portability for church, Bible study groups, etc....

Ipad

"No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill 

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 17 2011 10:35 AM

While people sem to be favouring the iPad, One must also take into consideration network availability. You will need a wireless connection  (wifi or cellular network) to effectively use the iPad. Macbook requires neither to use your whole library. Not everything you want may be available on the iPad, many publishers will not allow their works to be made available. Then again there are the numerous items Logos as lost the rights too. Oxford Bible commentary, Jerome Biblical commentary, Daily Study Bible old and new testament series (the new revision of the NT is abut to be released but you will need to purchase it since Logos calls it a distinct  work, which is pushing it a bit far). I have seen countless people ask about the Bible Knowledge Commentary, which the publisher will not allow for mobile. So when making your choice make sure the resources you want to use are available on the iPad. You should e able to confirm what is available of your library by logging into Biblia.com if everything you want to use is there either will work for you, if some favourite resources are missing the Air is likely your best bet.

-Dan

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 17 2011 10:51 AM

Good thoughts Dan! Generally I think for study the MacBook Air would be best, and for reading the iPad. I had not thought about the mobile resource availability issue in my recommendation, however.

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Paul N | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 17 2011 12:06 PM

MJD:
but you don't have access to all your resources, even if you are on the internet due limited license agreements.

 

MJD, this is a great point I had not considered.  Comparing the list would be advised to see if their are resources you would not have access to on the iPad.

 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 17 2011 5:42 PM

Observation: can login to http://biblia.com to get an idea of resources available on iOS devices (including iPad).

Noticeable missing for iPad is NIV (my library of Scholar's Platinum plus more has ~ 75 % availability on iPad).  Odd: http://biblia.com has NIV 84, NIRV, and TNIV Bibles available online, but those bibles are not available on iPad.

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Michael G. Halpern | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 17 2011 9:43 PM

You all are totally awesome for spending the time you have offering your thoughtful opinions.  I truly appreciate you all and I'm sorry for not responding sooner.

It is appearing so far that the iPad is best as an e-reader, portability, and having a Bible and second book (commentary/dictionary/etc.) open during a church service/Bible study.  Of course highlighting would be very useful.

The MBA is the best in portability for a full-blown Logos 4 Bible study machine, but really becomes just another computer when one considers reading books cover-to-cover.  I can't seem to enjoy reading my general books (MacArthur, Jeremiah, Stanley, Piper, etc.) on a computer.

Some comments back to a couple of the posts:  I'm almost fully switched over from the Win/PC world to Mac...and loving it.  Money is always an issue, but I will end up with both machines (and an iPhone) in the next year, but I was essentially an trying to prioritize...soooo, I will be using both machines, and thus, won't be giving one of them away; however, I have a recipient for my Acer Netbook.

I look forward to reading any additional comments that may be posted to this thread.  Especially any new thoughts/opinions.

Again, thank you all...Michael

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 17 2011 10:31 PM

Michael G. Halpern:
Money is always an issue

Apple offers refurbished models with same warranty as new purchase:

Mac => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac

iPad => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad

When Mac and iPad models are refreshed, refurbished prices drop.  May take some time before new models show up on refurbished list (e.g. iPad 2 not yet available after several months).

For a desktop 27" iMac, bit surprised to see current top of the line is available => http://store.apple.com/us/product/FD063LL/A (couple months after iMac refresh).

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 18 2011 7:59 AM

iPad for me, no question about it. 

Extensive reading even on Mac Air is little better than on any other mini notebook.  Reading on the iPad is about as comfortable to me as reading a paper book.  I would do my intensive study on the iMac at home, and do my reading on the iPad.  If I got a Mac Air it would be to replace the iMac at home, not to replace the iPad. 

If the Mac Air isn't up to replacing the iMac for running the full blown Logos program, then it would be useless to me.  It would never replace the iPad for reading.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 18 2011 8:03 AM

Dan Francis:
While people sem to be favouring the iPad, One must also take into consideration network availability. You will need a wireless connection  (wifi or cellular network) to effectively use the iPad.

I have not found that to be a problem.  I primarily use my iPad to read and take notes.  I do this fine without a wireless connection.  I have over 2100 books downloade to my iPad.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 18 2011 8:28 AM

Michael Childs:
I have over 2100 books downloade to my iPad.

Thought I went overboard downloading a few hundred! :)

How do you tell how many books are downloaded on the iPad?

Thanks,

Peter

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Paul N | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 18 2011 10:04 AM

Peter I believe the only way would be to turn your iPad's internet connection to 'Airplane' mode and then open Logos back up.  Navigate back to your book list which should now only list your offline books.  If you drag your list down from the top (down motion with the finger), the number of books listed is at the top.

I'm not sure why its hidden until you drag your list down.  This works when you've got your connection back too so you know how many books are available to you out of your collection.

 

 

 

[EDIT] - the number of resources is viewably listed at the top - its just small

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 18 2011 10:52 AM

Michael Childs:

Dan Francis:
While people sem to be favouring the iPad, One must also take into consideration network availability. You will need a wireless connection  (wifi or cellular network) to effectively use the iPad.

I have not found that to be a problem.  I primarily use my iPad to read and take notes.  I do this fine without a wireless connection.  I have over 2100 books downloade to my iPad.

I was under the impression he was hoping to take advantage of some of the more Study related things like the passage guide. I know that the iPad is a great reader, I am just wanted him to be sure of the possible limitations, for a lot of people i know not having the NIV would be a deal breaker right there. I am very happy with the NRSV so I haven;t  got a problem in that regard. Some people, myself included are happy enough with the iOS app (I would love to sync my files from my machine putting on any file I own I want, but I know that will never happen). I have seen numerous people quite irate in their postings here over not having their whole library and needing to be online to use it effectively. 

-dan

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