1966 version of Jerusalem Bible

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jul 29 2011 8:06 AM

Logos has the 1985 New Jerusalem Bible, which was completely rewritten from new translations of original languages, plus its language became much more inclusive. I would like to see Logos publish the 1966 Jerusalem Bible, published by Darton, Longman & Todd. It is also approved in the lectionary of the Catholic Church in England and Wales as well. I prefer its translation and style to the newer New Jerusalem!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 29 2011 12:55 PM

Yes It would also be nice to have the French which is the original translation from Biblical texts.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 29 2011 1:32 PM

MJ. Smith:

Yes It would also be nice to have the French which is the original translation from Biblical texts.

Ugh!  French.  I would need to screw up my lips and make faces to pronounce it.  At least that was my mother's objection to French.  I remember going through her French books in our library.  She advised me to take Latin instead -- which I did.  It was during a Latin class that we began a crash course on Russian after they launched Sputnik -- at least it was more interesting than reading about Vercingetorix.

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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 29 2011 4:41 PM

George Somsel:
I would need to screw up my lips and make faces to pronounce it. 

You will be happy to know that French is the language farthest away from the sounds babies make when first exploring language. At least that is what I was told many years ago. If I recall correctly, Tamil was the fastest (or 2nd fastest?) in terms of syllables per minute.

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Nate Tinner | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 19 2019 5:58 AM

I would also love to see this. How can we get the process started?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 19 2019 6:37 PM

Nate Tinner:
How can we get the process started?

We need Verbum users, especially priests and seminarians, from countries that use the JB for their lectionary to put the pressure on.

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Bede | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 22 2019 2:09 AM

Here in England we currently use the JB BUT the NJB isn't available for us on Logos for licensing reasons, so I suspect the same would apply to the JB.

Also, our Bishops' Conference recently decided to switch to the ESV, theoretically from next year. Since, AFAIK, there is no curently available ESV with deutercanonical books in the UK, that could cause a few problems.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 22 2019 11:45 AM

[EDIT:]Oxford did do the ESV deutercanonical books, but I see it is now out of print.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/English-Standard-Version-Bible-Apocrypha/dp/0195289102

With this move maybe the OUP will reprint it.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 22 2019 11:52 AM

Bede:
AFAIK, there is no curently available ESV with deutercanonical books in the UK, that could cause a few problems.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Apocrypha-English-Standard-Version-Lutheran/dp/0758625472/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?keywords=lutheran+study+apocrypha&qid=1563821368&s=books&sr=1-1-fkmr0

Is the only print version i know for sale in the UK.

-dan

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Bede | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 24 2019 1:48 AM

Ouch! That's expensive for the deuterocanonical without the rest of the Bible, although it sounds good.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 24 2019 8:26 AM

It is equally pricey in Logos but it does come with the ESV text:

4 Better than this is childlessness with virtue, 

for in the memory of virtue 3 is immortality, 

because it is known both by God and by man. 

2 When it is present, people imitate 4 it, 

and they long for it when it has gone; 

and throughout all time it marches crowned in triumph, 

victor in the contest for prizes that are undefiled. 

3 But the prolific brood of the ungodly will be of no use, 

and none of their illegitimate seedlings will strike a deep root 

or take a firm hold. 

4 For even if they put forth boughs for a while, 

standing insecurely they will be shaken by the wind, 

and by the violence of the winds they will be uprooted. 

5 The branches will be broken off before they come to maturity, 

and their fruit will be useless, 

not ripe enough to eat and good for nothing. 

6 For children born of unlawful unions 

are witnesses of evil against their parents when God examines them. 1

7 But the righteous man, though he die early, will be at rest. 

8 For old age is not honored for length of time 

or measured by number of years; 

9 but understanding is gray hair for human beings, 

and a blameless life is ripe old age. 

10 There was one who pleased God and was loved by him, 

and while living among sinners he was taken up. 

11 He was caught up lest evil change his understanding 

or guile deceive his soul. 

12 For the fascination of wickedness obscures what is good, 

and roving desire perverts the innocent mind. 

13 Being perfected in a short time, he fulfilled long years; 

14 for his soul was pleasing to the Lord, 

therefore he took him quickly from the midst of wickedness. 

15 Yet the peoples saw and did not understand 

or take such a thing to heart, 

that God’s grace and mercy are with his elect, 

and he watches over his holy ones. 

3 Greek it

4 Some manuscripts honor

1 Greek parents at their examination

 Edward A. Engelbrecht, ed., The Apocrypha: The Lutheran Edition: Text (Saint Louis, MO: Concordia Publishing House, 2012), Wis 4:1–15.

4:1 childlessness with virtue. Cf 3:13. Though children are indeed a blessing and gift from the Lord (Ps 127:3–5), the author praises virtue or godliness as an even greater blessing and gift. Cf the monastic ideals of the Jewish Therapeutae and some early Christians. See p 369.

4:2 imitate it. Virtue has power to draw others to it.

4:3 prolific brood. A large number of children and descendants is not a blessing in and of itself; it is a godly heritage that is a blessing. Cf Ecclus 23:25.

4:4 they will be uprooted. Cf Ps 37:35–38; Mt 7:24–27; Eph 4:14.

4:5 fruituseless. Surely to grow worse in their ungodliness.

4:6 unlawful unions. Sexual relations outside of marriage in general, or specifically the forbidden unions of believers and unbelievers (3:16). when God examines them. Cf Jn 9:2. Theme of judgment; one must give an account of one’s life to the Lord.

4:7 die early. The Fourth Commandment promised long life (Ex 20:12; cf Pr 3:1–2). The author here notes that the righteous man may sometimes die at a relatively young age, and by implication that the ungodly may live long on the earth (cf Ps 73:3; Is 57:2; Wis 3:1).

4:8 not … measured by number of years. Simply growing older does not guarantee growing wiser.

4:9 understanding is gray hair. True maturity is marked not merely by external signs of aging but by gaining divine wisdom.

4:10 one. Enoch (Gn 5:24). taken up. Translated into heaven without experiencing bodily death.

4:11 lest evil change his understanding. God rescued Enoch to prevent evil from corrupting him.

4:12 Cf 1 Co 15:33. roving desire. Desire is insatiable and fickle in appetite.

4:13 perfected. Mature in divine wisdom, not sinless (cf 1 Jn 1:8).

4:14 took him quickly. See notes, vv 10–11. midst of wickedness. The prevailing characteristic of the world before the flood (Gn 6:5).

4:15 take … to heart. The ungodly do not grasp even the most basic truths of God. Cf Is 57:1. grace. See p 374. mercy. God choosing not to give what is deserved. See p 376. elect. See “choose,” p 372. holy ones. Those given a share in the holiness of the Holy One (3:9). See “saints,” p 378.

 Edward A. Engelbrecht, ed., The Apocrypha: The Lutheran Edition: Notes (Saint Louis, MO: Concordia Publishing House, 2012), 33–34.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 24 2019 9:44 AM

Dan Francis:
Edward A. Engelbrecht, ed., The Apocrypha: The Lutheran Edition: Notes (Saint Louis, MO: Concordia Publishing House, 2012), 33–34.

Dan, your copies look interesting, so I queried:

https://www.logos.com/search?query=Apocrypha%3A%20The%20Lutheran%20Edition&sortBy=Relevance&limit=30&page=1&ownership=all 

There's two entries for Apocrypha:LE. One has text, the other has text, and notes at assigned $0. Both same price. If I buy the latter, will I get the former?

Secondly, the same author is the editor on the Study Bible. Do you know if the Study Bible includes the apocrypha?  (The new Logos.com happily chops off the table.  They really should just contract out web development and call it a day.)


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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 24 2019 9:19 PM

The Apocrypha: The Lutheran Edition with Notes by Edward A. Engelbrecht includes both the ESV text and the notes.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 25 2019 5:37 AM

MJ. Smith:

The Apocrypha: The Lutheran Edition with Notes by Edward A. Engelbrecht includes both the ESV text and the notes.

Thank you


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