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David Sloan | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 30 2014 6:15 PM

What's the latest on this? Is Microsoft Word 2013 the best route? Calibre? I have a number of pdfs that I would like to convert to personal books, but I have yet to discover a good way of doing the conversion, especially with Greek fonts and footnotes.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 30 2014 6:39 PM

David,

The best solution I have found - and it is very reasonably priced - is by Adobe.  For about $20 per year Adobe will convert PDF  documents to docx for you on line. This service is a part of the Adobe Reader program.  

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 30 2014 8:09 PM

[quote user="Michael Childs"]

David,

The best solution I have found - and it is very reasonably priced - is by Adobe.  For about $20 per year Adobe will convert PDF  documents to docx for you on line. This service is a part of the Adobe Reader program.  

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Hi Michael. I want to see if it works fine with the Link I am sending.Could you please try it?

Blessings in Christ.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 1 2014 9:41 AM

Tes:

[quote user="Michael Childs"]

David,

The best solution I have found - and it is very reasonably priced - is by Adobe.  For about $20 per year Adobe will convert PDF  documents to docx for you on line. This service is a part of the Adobe Reader program.  

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Hi Michael. I want to see if it works fine with the Link I am sending.Could you please try it?

Just saw you post, Teas, and I tried to convert the Philemon PDF. It looks like the original except the font is wrong.  Apparently I don't have that font.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Danny Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 1 2014 10:01 AM

Word 2013 appears to create appropriate footnotes from a PDF. It worked on the free ebook Story of God Philippians. I have not done extensive research on it, but it looks like it did everything properly.

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Danny Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 1 2014 10:50 AM

Second book did not convert footnotes properly (Sermon on the Mount Story of God). Don't have time right now to research why there is a difference, but it did not work on the second book.

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Royce Odiyar | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 13 2014 5:05 PM

Hi Friends, I have been searching for months now how to easily create a .DOCX file for building a personal book in Logos and have given up several times, never finding a good solution. But once again I found myself experimenting this morning when I should have been working on a sermon and a million other things.

Conclusion: just before giving up again an idea popped into my mind half inspired by this thread and the other half by our kind and all wise heavenly Father. So I hope this solution helps you as much as it did me and happy fathers day to any fathers and to The Father of Lights!

Nine to 14 Simple Steps:

  1. STEP 1: Create or download a PDF 

    Note: if 

  2. STEP 2: Upload PDF to Microsoft OneDrive 

    Note: if you do not have a Microsoft account it is totally worth getting. Also, note that they let you use any email address to sign up, so you don't even have to manage a 


  3. STEP 3-6: Open PDF in OneDrive / click, "EDIT IN WORD" / then a Dialogue Box will pop-up called 'File Conversion' click 'Convert' after the conversion the same Dialogue box will come back, this time click 'Edit'. 

  4. Once the file is open and in edit mode, you can now make any changes you desire before saving it. 

  5. STEP 7-9:  click 'FILE' in the menu bar / click 'Save As' / click 'Download a Copy'

    AND bada bing bada boom and your done...but if your not completely sure how to build the book, here are your final simple steps. 

  6. STEP 10-14: Open 'LOGOS' / click 'Tools' / click 'Personal Books' under the 'Library Column' / click 'Add Book' in the new window that opens / then just file in parts 1 and 2 and then part 3 is the final click 'Build Book'. 

    As soon as your book is built it will open up and you can see if everything formatted perfectly. 

Note: This is the easiest and best way to build personal books in Logos 5. It's free, fast and highly functional. I haven't spent much time playing around with it, but all of the 5+ books I built that have chapter headings are automatically recognized in Logos. In other words, as far as I can tell, any headings that you want Logos to recognize need to be designated as "headings" in your OneDrive Word App. 

Hope this helps. 

God Bless you all!

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 14 2014 6:56 AM

Royce Odiyar:

Nine to 14 Simple Steps:

Note: This is the easiest and best way to build personal books in Logos 5. It's free, fast and highly functional. I haven't spent much time playing around with it, but all of the 5+ books I built that have chapter headings are automatically recognized in Logos. In other words, as far as I can tell, any headings that you want Logos to recognize need to be designated as "headings" in your OneDrive Word App. 

Hope this helps. 

God Bless you all!

You do not need a OneDrive account to do this if you have a word processor that will open .pdf files. I know MS Word and Openoffice are two that do.

The problem in converting PDFs is the way the particular file is formatted. With some the process will work great. With some the process will work but requires some editing before you save it as a .docx. With some PDF's the editing work required after opening in Word is overwhelming and maybe impossible.

I have tried several free PDF converters (downloaded and online) and found none that are perfect. Calibre does a decent job on many files, but is not perfect either. I know there are some paid apps (some quite costly) that claim to be great. I do not need that feature enough so it would not make sense to spend any money on it. 

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Brother Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 15 2014 4:33 AM

I can echo Fredc's experience completely.... I have finally moved from Calibre to the best conversion tool I've found: Wondershare PDF editor Pro.  It costs $79 US, but so far it has been perfect, and as a side benefit.... also converts to any MS Office format and does a good job with OCR conversions.

"I read dead people..."

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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 15 2014 5:24 AM

BroMk:

How do to the files converted by Wondershare fare with regard to pictures? My experience with converting in Word 2013 is that the pictures/graphics in the docx generally do not make it into the PB when compiled, without a great deal of agony. Word does do a great job with footnotes, if they were "live" in the PDF. If Wondershare maintains live footnotes and the resulting docx has images that will compile in PBs without a lot of noodling around, it would be worth 80 bucks, indeed,

FWIW: I currently employ a hodgepodge of methods, depending on the source of the file and the relative prominence of footnotes vs images. See the two link in my signature.  

Win 10 Android 8.1 Fire OS 5

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Everett Headley | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 15 2014 7:40 AM

This my be OT, but I am wondering why yall pay for converting pdf files?  I use this one online and it's free and I don't have to sign up for anything.  Am I missing something?  

http://www.pdfonline.com/pdf-to-word-converter/?utm_expid=127285-82.hVyA0iq5Q9ynae28757vDQ.0&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

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Bishop Salamat Khokhar | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 15 2014 11:15 AM

Hello friends.. greetings.  I have converted several PDF for PBB.  I have expereinced that the Hebrew and Greek  just  get messed up in the converted DOCX.  

If you had any success with proper conversion of Hebrew and Greek with any software, please share the name of the software.  

Thanks

BSK

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Brother Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 15 2014 2:49 PM

Robert M. Warren:

BroMk:

How do to the files converted by Wondershare fare with regard to pictures? My experience with converting in Word 2013 is that the pictures/graphics in the docx generally do not make it into the PB when compiled, without a great deal of agony. Word does do a great job with footnotes, if they were "live" in the PDF. If Wondershare maintains live footnotes and the resulting docx has images that will compile in PBs without a lot of noodling around, it would be worth 80 bucks, indeed,

FWIW: I currently employ a hodgepodge of methods, depending on the source of the file and the relative prominence of footnotes vs images. See the two link in my signature.  

Robert,  Why not link a freely redistributable PDF with pictures, footnote references, etc. that you'd like to compare to a Wondershare converted file.  I'll convert it and post it here for everyone's review and comments.

"I read dead people..."

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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 17 2014 9:42 AM

Thanks, Mark. Will do sometime this week.

Win 10 Android 8.1 Fire OS 5

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JohnB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 12:52 PM

David Sloan:
I have yet to discover a good way of doing the conversion, especially with Greek fonts and footnotes.

The biggest problem here that I have is where the original document did not use Unicode Greek & Hebrew fonts but instead used custom pre-unicode fonts. The only way to deal with that I have found is to type in the words manually using unicode fonts. Sadly many theologians still do not seem to have discovered the virtues of unicode yet and still use specialist fonts. I do speak as a non-Greek/Hebrew student so might not appreciate possible problems of using unicode fonts!

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JohnB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 1:25 PM

Royce Odiyar:
But once again I found myself experimenting this morning when I should have been working on a sermon

GREAT!!!!  IT DOES WORK FOR FOOTNOTES!!!

This is the most practical & useful sermon that I have read for a while. Big Smile

I wish someone had preached this to me several months ago it would have saved me so many hours of re-creating live footnotes! For the record & for the benefit of any other readers I have Word 10 which will not open pdf documents itself.

Thanks so much.

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JohnB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 22 2014 3:23 AM

Bishop Salamat Khokhar:
I have experienced that the Hebrew and Greek  just  get messed up in the converted DOCX.

This is often the same with me!

This my understanding of things and if I am not correct I hope that someone will correct me.Briefly I know of no pdf converters that will always produce perfect results for Hebrew & Greek from all types of pdf. I am guessing that IF the original document had been a MSWord document that had been turned into a pdf using Word 2013 or OneDrive as suggested by Royce Odiyar might well usually work perfectly.

There appear to be several causes to the problem that you are facing (other than a pdf that is so poor that the software can't identify the characters correctly). One is associated with the method that was used to produce the original Greek or Hebrew and has caused most of my prodlems.

Before Unicode fonts were introduced, there were only 255 or so characters in any specific font so that special Greek or Hebrew fonts were produced and as long as the actual Greek or Hebrew words were formatted with the relevant Greek or Hebrew font all was well. Many (most? all?) pdf converters are unable to detect when a specialised font was used on the original document (and the font probably does not exist on the users computer anyway so could not be displayed) so on conversion  you get a bunch of gibberish.

If Unicode fonts were used in the original document (as Logos seems to)  Greek & Hebrew have their own specific dedicated characters which are usually included in the main common fonts used on most computers so the Greek & Hebrew usually comes through the conversion correctly.

Sorry not to give you a nice solution.

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Nora Limpsung | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 5 2015 7:21 AM

The easiest way is to go through an online service like http://online-pdf.org. I know there are more sites doing this but i found this one reliable enough. Hope this helps, god bless you :)

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Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 22 2016 3:00 PM

This is not to disparage the kind and helpful people in this thread offering workable solutions (thank you!), but like virtually everything else about this software, this seems like a ridiculously cumbersome thing to have to do. The "P" in "PDF" means "portable." Logos should just provide the ability to upload a PDF so it can be read in the software. What would be so difficult about that? I get that it would not be able to take advantage of some Logos functionality with the book, but I'd be OK with that. They can still allow all the convoluted mess described above to import fully functioning books, but forcing me to have to recreate and reformat a document from PDF to DOCX just to read it? Not exactly user friendly.

So much about this software is a user experience nightmare (like requiring obscure code to search for text across your library highlighted with a specific highlight style). It's a real shame they can't figure out a way to create a better user experience since the resources are so spectacular.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 22 2016 3:09 PM

Scott Spinola:
What would be so difficult about that?

A great deal - have you ever tried to process a proprietary format document?

Logos developed personal books as a means of users including their own works in the software and intended to build a PB bookstore based on that assumption. It was not designed as a means of importing books from other sources - we just decided to use it as such.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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