Android, Please!?!?!?!?
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Ditto here.. with one more little bit: Please make sure it works with the 'HTC Touch' interface! it would be a shame to get andriod support and then the UI mod kills the ability to use the app! I'm not sure if what your planning to implment will be affected by something like HTC Touch.. but I don't want to miss this! I played with the Logos app on my sister's iPhone.. and boy was it SWEET!
Looking forward to the Andriod version,
Paul
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What features did you find useful on the iPhone? In other words, what do we have to look forward to in the development of the Droid app?
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Add me to the long list of Logos for Android app users waiting for the unveiling! Gave up my WinMobile phone for an Android mainly for the upcoming Logos App.
Biblia is OK, what is very lacking is having to click or tap the arrows to get to next pages instead of a swipe between pages like the Iphone app. Hopefully the Logos for Android will be a Christmas present for all of us
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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I am currently running a Android's HTC Desire HD ROM on my HTC HD2 win mobile phone !
Thanks to the developers at XDA-developers.com for making many Android systems that can run on the HD2 windows mobile phone.
I am currently running Olivetree with all my bibles,commentaries etc... on this Android os without any problems. I hope the Logos program will work just as well, as it will save me buying a new Android phone or tablet.
It should work theoretically !
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May as well toss my name into the hat. We've used the Logos app on our iphones since it came out but have since dropped our iPhones for Evo's. That's two more users who need Logos for Android.
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Got tired of sitting on the iPhone / iPad / Droid fence and got the Droid X, specifically because of the large HD display. I'm counting on Bob Pritchett to hit a home run with a Droid app SOON, and done right. His, and the Logos team's, products are A+++++++, without fail. I want L4's powerful search engine for my hospital chaplaincy work at patients' bedsides. I want to be able to quickly search the WORD for what God wants to say to a specific patient.
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Verizon is currently offering a bundle of iPad and a Wi-Fi hotspot that fits in your pocket (using their cell phone technology). They also sell the iPad and the Wi-Fi hotspot separately.
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Check the numbers again, they have changed significantly.
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@ Kitty what numbers are you referring to? If you mean the increase in market share for Android then you are right.
Latest results shows that in the last 6 months Iphone has grown 1% while android has grown 10% and almost tied apples market share. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9203040/Android_tops_iPhone_among_recent_buyers_says_Nielsen?taxonomyId=15
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So any update from Team Logos, sure has been awfully quiet... Are we close to having a Logos Android App? Need someone to Beta test, I'll volunteer to help test... Also I think I found the work around to posting from my phone, but a Forum App? for reading and posting would be outstanding!
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Nathan Madison
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I Don't know why they are dragging their feet on this one. The web
Version is not the radost to use, especially in no-coverage areas. Andriod
Users now outnumber iphone users anyway, why are they treated as second class citizens by logos?
I know they have to keep iphone users happy, but we are just as large a potential market, we actually have more market share at present.0 -
Disclaimer: personally looking forward to Logos iPad application update (hearing split screen soon). Also reading about iPad 2 and iPhone 5 dual core processors and graphics upgrades later this year.. Found article about upcoming Verizon iPhone that compares Apple and Android hardware => http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/01/13/iphone_4_and_ios_vs_android_on_verizon.html Apple offers more storage space with higher display resolution and graphic processor - bit more hardware to run Logos display engine.
Wonder what Android devices will be capable of running Logos application ? Given Logos penchant for resource intensive application, would not be surprised if recommended Android device needs dual core processors - shipping later this year.
ben said:I Don't know why they are dragging their feet on this one.
Logos announced developing Android application on 1 Nov 2010 => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/25467/188487.aspx
From experience waiting lots longer for initial Logos for Mac version, understand lack of information about development progress - initial Mac version missed some promised delivery dates [:(] - now Logos announces shipping date when usable application is stable enough for daily use [H] whose information syncing does not adversely affect Logos use on other platforms. Logos does release early (features incomplete) - helps business cash flow.
Observation: Android Developer's Cookbook describes some programming challenges => http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20026718-264.html
With different Android software implementations and hardware, anticipating various performance comments once Logos Android app ships (similar to various Mac and PC forum threads). Sony has some Android 2.2 customization that cannot be upgraded to Android 3.0 => http://blogs.computerworld.com/17627/sony_android
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ben said:
I Don't know why they are dragging their feet on this one. The web
Version is not the radost to use, especially in no-coverage areas. Andriod
Users now outnumber iphone users anyway, why are they treated as second class citizens by logos?
I know they have to keep iphone users happy, but we are just as large a potential market, we actually have more market share at present.Caveat: I am an iOS fan and pretty heavy Mac user.
With that as background I have been an application developer by profession for the past decade and change. I have mostly worked on Windows but over the last 5 years that has tilted to OS X programming including a substantial iOS application. With all the buzz around Android we picked up a device (Archos 70 Internet Tablet) and did some programming on it. Not being a fan of Java we decided to work with the MonoDroid framework as we already have a large code library in Microsoft .NET. The port to Android for existing code was reasonably painless BUT the user interface design and device specific issues (application packaging, security provisioning, etc.) were painful. We did a minor port that would not be functional in a professional environment and then stopped. From our perspective Android has some development challenges as well as security challenges that it needs to overcome. The MonoDroid framework is still in beta and the performance is pretty bad. I am not sure which way Logos is going but knowing they have a lot of .NET code too I would not be surprised if they went MonoDroid. If so they couldn't release right now anyway as the framework is not finished. I also would imagine the user interface would present a pretty substantial challenge for them. The basic UI building blocks in Android seem pretty crude to me and what I did in no way approached the complexity of what Logos will need.
All that to say, patience is going to be needed. Logos have a pretty big task in front of them and the easiest way for them to shortcut (not have to reprogram everything) is not ready for release yet. For all the groundswell building behind Android it seems to me to be a step or two behind iOS in every way including the development tools.
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Just like to put my two bits in.
I'd love to see Logos on Android as well. Running an HTC as my mobile and Logos on my PC. Sure would be nifty even if all they did was give basic searches and book reading. To take my books on the go. That sure would be something.0 -
Appears Oracle's lawsuit against Google copying and distributing copyrighted code in Android has merit => http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/01/new-evidence-supports-oracles-case.html
Dean Moody said:Just like to put my two bits in.
I'd love to see Logos on Android as well. Running an HTC as my mobile and Logos on my PC. Sure would be nifty even if all they did was give basic searches and book reading. To take my books on the go. That sure would be something.Popular game Angry Birds released first for iOS, then Android => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angry_Birds - development section mentions diversity of Android hardware and user interfaces - expect Logos development for Android encountering same issues plus Logos needs information to sync nicely cross platform. On Android, Angry Birds took 25 % longer than announced to deliver initial release - suspect Logos code (e.g. display engine) is more complex than Angry Birds.
Angry Birds full game is not playable on many Android devices => http://www.rovio.com/index.php?mact=Blogs,cntnt01,showentry,0&cntnt01entryid=47&cntnt01returnid=58 (including 5 HTC models) - wonder how many Android devices will not be usable for Logos application ? (essentially limited to http://biblia.com/ web site for mobile access to Logos resources)
Thankful for iPad 1.6 update with split screen reading (2 resources open) - easy to resize split [H] - looking forward to planned Logos features Highlighting.
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Ed Burnette has pretty much debunked Meuller's claims. Not that Meuller posting bogus stuff should be a surprise.
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Jeff Causey said:
Ed Burnette has pretty much debunked Meuller's claims. Not that Meuller posting bogus stuff should be a surprise.
Counterpoint article discusses legal ramifications (even for test files - changing license without copyright owner's approval not a good idea) => http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/android-source-code-java-and-copyright-infringement-whats-go/ - Android future shall be interesting.
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ben said:
Andriod
Users now outnumber iphoneActually, this is not true. You are probably mistaking sales for market share, which is easily done (especially when you have continual buy one get one free sales of Android). Particularly if you include the additional 27 million iPads and iPod Touches which were sold in the last quarter which all use the same OS and cannot be discounted but usually are.
Additionally, it will be interesting to see how things pan out now that iPhone is on Verizon as well and most people will no longer have to suffer with a pretend iPhone. Interesting data shows that 24% of Android and Blackberry users are willing to stand in line on Feb. 10 to switch to iPhone (http://www.usamp.com/).
It will be very interesting to see how the next quarter sales trend. [:)]
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There was another encouraging update this weekend from Dan...
"Android fans rejoice! We made great progress on Logos for Android this week! Can't wait to ship this thing!"
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Richard Powell
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Michael Paul said:
Actually, this is not true. You are probably mistaking sales for
market share, which is easily done (especially when you have continual
buy one get one free sales of Android). Particularly if you include the
additional 27 million iPads and iPod Touches which were sold in the last
quarter which all use the same OS and cannot be discounted but usually
are.According to this article (Android overtakes iPhone in total mobile U.S. user numbers as of November) that came out in early January, at least for the U.S. it is true (if a single source is sufficient to make something "true" [^o)]).
In the tablet market, this article (iPad loses significant share to Android tablets) indicates the same scenario is playing out in that market.
My impression is Apple's market share for smartphones and tablets will end up in the same place as PCs, a position that Apple seems content with and really seems to have built their business model around.
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Jeff Causey said:
In the tablet market, this article (iPad loses significant share to Android tablets) indicates the same scenario is playing out in that market.
Wall Street Journal blog offers some tablet share insights => http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/01/31/samsung-galaxy-tab-sales-actually-quite-small/ By the way, % of sales returned shows Android tablet leading iPad => http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20030211-37.html
With Motorola Xoom availability later this month, will be interesting to watch tablet market share (especially after iPad 2 ships).
Jeff Causey said:My impression is Apple's market share for smartphones and tablets will end up in the same place as PCs
For smartphone manufacturers, Apple is # 2 worldwide for 4th Quarter 2010 sales => http://www.macrumors.com/2011/02/07/apple-still-holding-second-place-among-global-smartphone-manufacturers/ - largest Android manufacturer is # 4. When all Android manufacturers added together, overall # 1 => http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/01/31/google_overtakes_nokia_as_maker_of_top_smartphone_platform.html - good business reason for Logos application for Android.
Appears Apple content to be profitable in smartphone market => http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/02/apples_iphone_extends_lead_in_mobile_profits.html
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Wonder which Android version(s) will be supported by Logos ?
Appears Google planning Android fragmentation with phone and tablet versions => http://www.pcworld.com/article/218966/android_fragmentation_will_get_more_complicated.html
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Android please.
I refuse to buy Apple products.
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Could not agree more.
Android please!!!
I also refuse to buy Apple products.
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Some more smartphone market data coming out this week:
Nothing really surprising in there. I'm not sure whether tablet devices are included in this data. I did note that buried in there was a blurb consistent with my own perception that the big loser with respect to the growth of Android based devices is RIM/Blackberry. Although on a global scale, it looks like Symbian is starting to fade as well.
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would love to be able to use Logos on my Atrix...
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In anticipation of the android Logos 4 would I be better to buy the Motorola Atrix or the HTC Inspiron phone. Also it should work on the Galaxy, right?
Sara Stinchcomb
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Mark Bjornholm said:
would love to be able to use Logos on my Atrix...
So how do you like the Atrix? I was looking at it the other day. I like Samsung's Spin on things but the dual core Atrix is turning my head.
#Indecision
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Motorola Atrix review => http://gigaom.com/mobile/motorola-atrix-4g-great-android-phone-media-center-sub-par-laptop/
Wonder if Motorola plans to offer Android 2.4 update ? Did find Motorola's Android software update page:
http://www.motorola.com/Support/US-EN/Android_Products/Software_Update_Landing_Page
Mobile Tech Reviews - Android phones - includes HTC Inspire 4G => http://www.mobiletechreview.com/Android-Phone-Reviews.htm - noted reviewer crush on 5" Dell Streak
Edit: Mobile Tech Review has video review of Motorola Atrix => http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=40103
Android community has video of HTC Inspire 4G => http://androidcommunity.com/htc-inspire-4g-att-phone-shown-off-in-minute-long-video-20110202/
Some Samsung Galaxy II handsets have Tegra 2 => http://androidcommunity.com/nvidia-confirms-tegra-2-in-some-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-handsets-20110303/
Android community also has Nielsen marketshare article Nov '10 - Jan '11 => http://androidcommunity.com/androids-marketshare-tossed-back-and-forth-by-nielsen-20110303/ - for Android marketshare appears HTC # 1 and Motorola # 2
Sara Reed Stinchcomb said:In anticipation of the android Logos 4 would I be better to buy the Motorola Atrix or the HTC Inspiron phone. Also it should work on the Galaxy, right?
Concur newer dual core Android hardware should be capable of running Logos 4 application (if not abandoned due to Google's in-app purchasing requirement along with 30% revenue cut from in-app purchases - would require order history integration with logos.com web site).
Thankful Logos offers Biblia.com for online library access (enhancing Biblia.com to deliver Logos display engine experience would also be expensive - requires more Logos server infrastructure plus network bandwidth to device to deliver customized user display).
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Why is this more of a competition between the Android and Apple communities? There are merits to each platform. Why do people feel they have to "point out" how much harder it is to develop for one over the other?
I would think that we should all be encouraging Logos to get the word of God out to as many platforms as possible rather than trying to put down one phone type over the other with "flavored" comments making some users feel "lesser than".
I own an Incredible. It was my first Android and I love it. My wife does not, she has a simple feature phone. I also own an iPad which I use for bible study and a few other things. I happen to like Android much better, but then again, I am a senior level programmer and the simplistic interface of iOS bores me. However, it is what my wife loves, so we have one.
As soon as Logos is released for the Android, I will own it, and we'll both be happy.
That's what it's all about!
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Jim Langley said:
Why do people feel they have to "point out" how much harder it is to develop for one over the other?
Personal rationale is managing expectations - due to manufacturer customization of Android versions (encouraged by Google), anticipating initial Logos application delivery and some updates on Android platform to take longer. Some manufacturer's have customized Android so much that upgrading operating system to newer Android version(s) is cost prohibitive (more economical to buy newer Android device with newer version and better hardware). Likewise wonder which Android version(s) can run Logos application with decent performance ? (1.5, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4, and/or 3.0) plus which Android version(s) will be needed for various Logos features. Personally not know - cognizant millions of Android devices are in use worldwide for each variant. Also Android devices have wide range of hardware capabilities.
By way of contrast, most Apple iOS devices have been upgraded to current iOS version. After Apple ships iOS 4.3 later this month, anticipate majority of iOS devices will be upgraded (existing applications should work fine after upgrade). Hence, Logos can use new iOS 4.3 features for application development, reasonably expecting most iOS users will have them.
Blog comparing iPad 2 and Android offers many reasons for Android => http://blogs.computerworld.com/17913/ipad_2_vs_android
Understanding Android and iOS platform differences leads to personal observation: if buying an Android device primarily for Logos use, recommend waiting for Logos to ship Android application(s) - then verify Logos usability on desired device. Apologies for bad news: anticipating some Android devices will not be practical for Logos use.
Do appreciate many Android device owners anxiously awaiting Logos application(s). From using Logos application on an iPad (offline) in church services, understand excitement - quick to display 2 Bibles side by side - easy to switch Bible version or Commentary (or other resource, e.g. Atlas color map). Hoping for personal visual filters with Logos display engine (feature promised along with notes - not yet implemented). Looks like Logos Android application should have same capabilities - will be a wonderful day for Bible Study when Logos ships Android application(s). Currently some Bible Study applications are available for Android - lack library breadth and depth of Logos.
Years ago, remember anxiously waiting lots longer from Logos announcing Mac software to initial delivery (including promised dates missed by months). Now Logos (company) does not promise a delivery date until something usable ready to ship (may lack features to be added later). Do remember paying for initial Mac crossgrade; engine now free => http://www.logos.com/product/4504/logos-bible-software-for-mac-122 (can read resources plus search capabilities, never had many Libronix 3 features). Logos 4 was initially developed for PC, then user interface ported to Mac - feature improvement has progressed quicker than initial Logos for Mac. Today, Logos 4.2a for Mac is the best version Logos has ever shipped (includes faster search with more results) - looking forward to Logos 4 improvements on PC & Mac along with personal items (e.g. reading plans, visual filters, notes, prayer lists, personal books, etc) that can sync with mobile devices - whose updates flow seamlessly across all Logos supported devices.
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Jim Langley said:
Why do people feel they have to "point out" how much harder it is to develop for one over the other?
Personal rationale is managing expectations - due to manufacturer customization of Android versions (encouraged by Google), anticipating initial Logos application delivery and some updates on Android platform to take longer. Some manufacturer's have customized Android so much that upgrading operating system to newer Android version(s) is cost prohibitive (more economical to buy newer Android device with newer version and better hardware). Likewise wonder which Android version(s) can run Logos application with decent performance ? (1.5, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4, and/or 3.0) plus which Android version(s) will be needed for various Logos features. Personally not know - cognizant millions of Android devices are in use worldwide for each variant. Also Android devices have wide range of hardware capabilities.
By way of contrast, most Apple iOS devices have been upgraded to current iOS version. After Apple ships iOS 4.3 later this month, anticipate majority of iOS devices will be upgraded (existing applications should work fine after upgrade). Hence, Logos can use new iOS 4.3 features for application development, reasonably expecting most iOS users will have them.
Logos can't assume most iOS users will have these updates, since in order to apply these updates, the users have to pay money for the update, or pay a constant usage fee. See AT&T.
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Ryan Hamre said:
Logos can't assume most iOS users will have these updates, since in order to apply these updates, the users have to pay money for the update, or pay a constant usage fee. See AT&T.
I feel like everyone keeps forgetting the iPod touch is an iOS device. It has millions of users, and I would venture a guess that more people have an iPod than an iPhone. Last I checked, once you buy the iPod, you don't have to pay AT&T anything...
I love my HTC Droid Incredible and REALLY REALLY want Logos to release the app we all know they are working on, but the "our's is bigger and better" argument is getting old and a bit juvenile at this point. We know the app is coming and Logos has acknowledged it several different ways. But who has more and which is easier to develop for is a mute point at this point.
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Ryan Hamre said:Jim Langley said:
Why do people feel they have to "point out" how much harder it is to develop for one over the other?
Personal rationale is managing expectations - due to manufacturer customization of Android versions (encouraged by Google), anticipating initial Logos application delivery and some updates on Android platform to take longer. Some manufacturer's have customized Android so much that upgrading operating system to newer Android version(s) is cost prohibitive (more economical to buy newer Android device with newer version and better hardware). Likewise wonder which Android version(s) can run Logos application with decent performance ? (1.5, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4, and/or 3.0) plus which Android version(s) will be needed for various Logos features. Personally not know - cognizant millions of Android devices are in use worldwide for each variant. Also Android devices have wide range of hardware capabilities.
By way of contrast, most Apple iOS devices have been upgraded to current iOS version. After Apple ships iOS 4.3 later this month, anticipate majority of iOS devices will be upgraded (existing applications should work fine after upgrade). Hence, Logos can use new iOS 4.3 features for application development, reasonably expecting most iOS users will have them.
Logos can't assume most iOS users will have these updates, since in order to apply these updates, the users have to pay money for the update, or pay a constant usage fee. See AT&T.
Apologies - Apple observations on Android thread - Apple's web page for iOS => http://www.apple.com/ios/ includes "The free iOS 4.3 Software Update comes with new features that let you do even more with your iPhone, iPad, and iPod Touch." Free upgrades are enticing - hence, Logos can use new iOS 4.3 features for application development, reasonably expecting most iOS users will have them.
Personally paid nothing to upgrade iOS 3.2.2 to IOS 4.2.1 on my iPad (downloaded via iTunes on Mac - sync to iPad) - after iOS upgrade, had to learn how to close multi-tasking applications to free up memory (double click iPad home button - hold finger on running applications until wiggling - tap minus button to close application).
Thankful for free Logos 1.6.3 application upgrade on iPad - now able to download 1,000 Bible Images for offline use - previously crashed Logos 1.6.2 application and iPad had low memory logs at same time as crash.
Back to Android comparison - Google is choosing to fragment Android development into smartphone and tablet versions => http://androidcommunity.com/android-2-4-ice-cream-to-be-honeycomb-for-smartphones-20110215/ During a recent two week sample at Google's Android Market, devices were running 5 operating versions => http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html (also has historical usage trends). Note: Android device manufacturers do not have to include compatibility with Google's Android market. Because of Android versions and hardware diversity, Logos may need to develop 2 or more Android applications (smartphone and tablet - maybe more).
Recent review of Android Honeycomb (3.0) => http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9212680/Android_Honeycomb_Powerful_and_promising_but_not_perfect_? - conclusion on page 3 includes "The problem is that, while Honeycomb can theoretically run any Android application -- even those created for use on smartphones -- it doesn't always do it well. ..."
Technical observation: appears future of mobile devices includes BSD licensed code used by both Apple and Android. Also Android and Apple include public domain SQLite on their devices for database files. Likewise Logos 4 uses SQLite on Mac & PC for database files.
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/221887/hacking_contest_fells_iphone_blackberry.html
In hacking tests, iOS and Blackberry hacked the fastest, Android and Windows Mobile are still holding up.
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For smartphones, Android marketshare # 1 in US => http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/03/07/android_tops_rim_in_us_smartphone_market_share_apples_iphone_third.html
Appears Android smartphone growth is displacing RIM, Microsoft, and Palm.
Ryan Hamre said:In hacking tests, iOS and Blackberry hacked the fastest, Android and Windows Mobile are still holding up.
Researcher blows $ 15K by reporting bug to Google => http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9213763/Researcher_blows_15K_by_reporting_bug_to_Google
Observation: if researcher had waited, top 3 smart phones in US (86.3 % of market) would have been hacked.
Motorola Xoom review => http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/motorola-xoom-review-groundbreaking-but-disappointing/45905 - conclusion includes:
"Unless you’re an Android developer, a devout Android fan, or a bleeding
edge IT professional who wants to get an early jump on Android 3.0
Honeycomb, then I’d steer clear of the Xoom — at least until everything
gets cleaned up, LTE 4G is shipping as part of the standard package,
and the price drops by at least $100."Abobe Flash upgrade for Android phones and tablets coming => http://androidcommunity.com/adobe-announces-flash-update-for-honeycomb-20110311/
Motorola Xoom needs Android upgrade for Flash Player => http://androidcommunity.com/motorola-xoom-ota-update-for-flash-out-now-video-20110311/
Waiting for Logos Android application news (perhaps soon, may be awhile).
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Ryan Hamre said:
In hacking tests, iOS and Blackberry hacked the fastest, Android and Windows Mobile are still holding up.
Researcher blows $ 15K by reporting bug to Google => http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9213763/Researcher_blows_15K_by_reporting_bug_to_Google
Observation: if researcher had waited, top 3 smart phones in US (86.3 % of market) would have been hacked.
This is highly speculative. To surmise "what would have happened if", is troublesome at best.
I might also take the opportunity to add that security firms do this for all platforms. It is also advantageous to security to have open source code that allows for code review, something Apple will never do.
Pwn2own ended... Android and Windows came out on top, Apple took last place in security.
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Ryan Hamre said:
I might also take the opportunity to add that security firms do this for all platforms. It is also advantageous to security to have open source code that allows for code review, something Apple will never do.
Pwn2own ended... Android and Windows came out on top, Apple took last place in security.
Pwn2own article => http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9214378/Google_patches_Pwn2Own_WebKit_bug_in_Chrome - noted Google patched a WebKit bug that was used to exploit a Blackberry smartphone. Apple needs to include same open source WebKit bug fix plus patch different WebKit vulnerability used to hack Safari browser on iPhone 4. Conclusion includes "Smartphones running Google's Android and Microsoft Windows Phone 7 operating systems also escaped Pwn2Own unscathed."
Apple apologies - something new last month - Apple provided security experts free copies of Mac OS X 10.7 Beta => http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/25/apple_exposing_mac_os_x_lion_to_security_experts_for_review.html
Observation: Apple developer page => http://developer.apple.com/opensource/ includes "Apple was the first major computer company to make Open Source development a key part of its software strategy, and continues to both use and release significant quantities of open source software." Note: 200+ open source projects ship with Mac OS X. Both Apple and Google use and contribute a lot of open source software.
On Mac OS X, Logos uses Mono open source project for .Net portability (shared code base).
Android Open Source Project pages => http://source.android.com/index.html and http://source.android.com/source/overview.html - has Android 2.3 source code available (API 9), but lacks newer Android platform source code (for API levels 10 and 11).
Learned Google is responsible for Android product management => http://source.android.com/source/roles.html
Personally puzzled - not know when Google plans to release Android platform source code for newer API levels for community security review.
Likewise not know when to expect Logos Android application(s).
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Add me to the Android waiting list.
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add me also to the Android waiting list.
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Not waiting as impatiently now I have an iPad (bought for Logos), but hey, would still love an Android client for the phone!
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Ryan Hamre said:Jim Langley said:
Why do people feel they have to "point out" how much harder it is to develop for one over the other?
Personal rationale is managing expectations - due to manufacturer customization of Android versions (encouraged by Google), anticipating initial Logos application delivery and some updates on Android platform to take longer. Some manufacturer's have customized Android so much that upgrading operating system to newer Android version(s) is cost prohibitive (more economical to buy newer Android device with newer version and better hardware). Likewise wonder which Android version(s) can run Logos application with decent performance ? (1.5, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4, and/or 3.0) plus which Android version(s) will be needed for various Logos features. Personally not know - cognizant millions of Android devices are in use worldwide for each variant. Also Android devices have wide range of hardware capabilities.
By way of contrast, most Apple iOS devices have been upgraded to current iOS version. After Apple ships iOS 4.3 later this month, anticipate majority of iOS devices will be upgraded (existing applications should work fine after upgrade). Hence, Logos can use new iOS 4.3 features for application development, reasonably expecting most iOS users will have them.
Logos can't assume most iOS users will have these updates, since in order to apply these updates, the users have to pay money for the update, or pay a constant usage fee. See AT&T.
iPhones my work far different in Canada, you download all iOS updates via iTunes and install them free of charge. I have never even heard of anything like this, if it;s true I would doubt most people would update their OS.
-Dan
PS: If your iPhone is your only internet connection then you most assuredly do need to pay your provider for the download, but itunes is the only way to update your phone, I just confirmed that. Although if you own no computer I suppose taking the phone to At & T is an option.
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Add me too to the Android waiting list [Y][Y][Y]. Love my Droid Incredible.
In Christ,
Ken
Lenovo Yoga 7 15ITL5 Touch Screen; 11th Gen Intel i7 2.8Ghz; 12Gb RAM; 500Gb SDD;WIN 11
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Learned Google is responsible for Android product management => http://source.android.com/source/roles.html
Personally puzzled - not know when Google plans to release Android platform source code for newer API levels for community security review.
Google is delaying distribution of Android source code to outside programmers => http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
Observation: seems odd for "open source" code to be developed behind closed doors.
With Google holding back Android tablet source code, wonder about two Logos applications for Android: one for smart phones followed later by one for tablets.
Looking at http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html Android 2.2 now commands 61.3 % of the market, followed by Android 2.1 at 29.0 %
If Android 2.1 is minimum requirement for Logos Android application, then 92.2 % of current market usage would have minimum Android version (as of early March 2011).
After Logos ships Android application(s), hoping finances allow for device purchase with decent Logos experience.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Dan sent out a tweet earlier that for those at BibleTech 2011 who would like to see Logos on Android to go find someone at the conference. So Team Logos does this mean we will see it released over the weekend?
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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I gave up and bought CadreBible for Android. I've been seeing these posts for Logos for Android for two years now. Coming Soon means something different to Logos people than to the rest of the world. I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab and CadreBible works fine. I'm thinking of giving my copy of Logos to the music minister at our church. He has an Apple. I've been a Windows/Logos user forever. I'm giving up!!!
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I understand your sense of disappointment. I'm a little over a year waiting with Droid X in hand. Have learned to find lots of books on Google Books and B&N that I would have gotten with Logos. In the meantime, I've learned that Logos is really only useful to me in terms of language tools (re: interlinear ESV). I don't think, in retrospect, that tool is worth the price of Silver Scholar. Additionally, having read books now in both Logos and and Nook for Droid, while the latter is handy and the former nice for footnoting, it is very clunky looking back through highlights on Nook and Logos while writing. Highlights in printed books are just more easily rediscovered.
But on top of that, my (limited) understanding is that Logos for Droid probably will not include highlighting functions anyway. So, I'm wondering what the use is of continuing to buy books for Logos or continuing to hope for them on Droid.
Having Logos "research" the stuff and bring it to the screen was the selling point for me (that and hoping to read my books on the Droid X) but
not really as useful as I had thought it would be. How much can I read
at once. One window. I may as well stand up and grab that commentary off
of my shelf. Which I do anyway because I already have them and they are
too expensive to replace in Logos (at least on this pastor's salary). The books I have learned that I want to research are the ones on my shelves not the ones in Silver Scholars.This has been a useful experience though. I think it has counseled me to buy printed books again. But I have Logos, so I will wait around while buying print, to see what Logos finally does.
BTW, I just dumped Time-Warner because they developed apps for Apple and not Windows. The result there is, I can make almost 2 extra house payments a year on the savings...or buy a set of commentaries for Logos. [;)]
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I hope that Logos will begin Android development soon and include an Android group on this forum. I think that Android has the potential to increase Logos' sales and user base.
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