Just how FAST is Logos 4?

I ran a test on Logos 3:

I searched for "David" in all unlocked Bibles and the return was 37,629 in 70 seconds.

In Logos 4:

I searched for "David" in All Bibles and the return was 37,275 in 70 seconds. But in the line above the search results it reported "0.54 Secs"

If Logos 4 is what it is said to be there is something wrong somewhere!

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TCBlack

Bible searching is searching a subset of your library. It's not as fast as searching the entire library. We raised a bit of noise in the beta about this, I think there's more being done on just searching bibles.

Martin J Webster

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/28728#Comment_28728

I ran another test, here are the results:

Logos 3 search for "Lamb of God" 3730 hits in 610 Seconds

Logos 4 search for "lamb of God" 3662 hits in 10.25 Seconds

This is very impressive.

However I wonder why there should be a difference in the number of hits?

David Wilson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/30622#Comment_30622

Are there titles we might have in version 3 (various vendors, incl Nelson, Eerdmans, AMG, Baker, IVP, BAS etc) for which there are not yet version 4 files available to download ?

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/30641#Comment_30641

I don't think so. I think since L4 can read L3 files they use the old ones until they can update them to the new format. Not 100% on this one, though, but I'm pretty close.

Damian McGrath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/30641#Comment_30641

Are there titles we might have in version 3 (various vendors, incl Nelson, Eerdmans, AMG, Baker, IVP, BAS etc) for which there are not yet version 4 files available to download ?

Yes,

Oxford Bible Commentary - probably never to be rebuilt.

Any Westminster title - eg. Interpretation Commentary Series.

Anchor Bible Commentary Series, Ancient Christian Commentary Series, and the list goes on

I have 2099 resources in 3.0 format and one in 2.0 format

David Wilson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/30649#Comment_30649

Does the L4 "cloud" currently have the version 3 files and would it then download these if version 4 files are not yet available or do we need to get them from our version 3 resources folder ? If we need to get them from version 3 ourselves, how do we do that ? EG: copy them to where ?

Ken McGuire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/30655#Comment_30655

I believe that Brad G on another post said that all but 2 resources are available for DL from the cloud.

On the other hand, there are more than 2 old Logos 2.0 help manuals that Logos 4 has not DLed to me, not that I want them in Logos 4, but they are in my license.

Damian McGrath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/30655#Comment_30655

Does the L4 "cloud" currently have the version 3 files and would it then download these if version 4 files are not yet available or do we need to get them from our version 3 resources folder ? If we need to get them from version 3 ourselves, how do we do that ? EG: copy them to where ?

David,

It will draw over from your 3.0 resource folders those files which have not been updated (in either 3.0 or 4.0 format)

The rest, it will download.

You just need to sit back and relax (or spend hours worrying about why it doesn't seem to be doing anything)

David Wilson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/30662#Comment_30662

Oh, it is very busy doing something - Downloading resources - now at 96% and steadily progressing - up from 51% this time yesterday !!

(so not had any time to actually kick the tires yet !!). Wondering if I need to take a week off while it indexes everything after it is finished downloading ?

Damian McGrath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/30666#Comment_30666

Wondering if I need to take a week off while it indexes everything after it is finished downloading ?

Nah, you can still go to work.....

How many resources do you have?

David Wilson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/30669#Comment_30669

Looks like about 3100 in my version 3 resources folder, not counting help files and PBBs (incl. magazines but not movies)

But then I upgraded......

Damian McGrath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/30690#Comment_30690

Yeah,

It'll take a while (depending on computer specs of course)

David Wilson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/30691#Comment_30691

Finished the initial resource downloads and now on to "Preparing your library......", started at 1am my time : will let you know when it finishes....

David Wilson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/30728#Comment_30728

It was already finished by the time I got up this morning - so less than 7 hours to index and prepare the files after close to 40 hours download time...

Damian McGrath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/30863#Comment_30863

Fanatstic.

Wish mine took only 7 hours.

I'm trying the whole multiple computer install thing to get my index from the netbook the the notebook. Even that seems to be taking a while. I think I messed it up....

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/30863#Comment_30863

so less than 7 hours to index

Not to bad

40 hours download time...

That's a long time. Hopefully you will never need an emergency re-install. A Backup to disc option would be welcomed. Fortunately for me I have a big Pipe through Fios (20 Meg/Sec) but for many its not available or they simply have a slower plan.

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/30869#Comment_30869

And just a reminder...a cheap way to deal with this is to image your disk

After I get Logos running perfect and all my other apps installed...I make an image of my C drive...

Then I can "reinstall" just as if it never happened, anytime...and in less than 10 minutes...a fresh clean computer!!

I use Acronis True image home edition.

Damian McGrath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/30869#Comment_30869

That's a long time. Hopefully you will never need an emergency re-install. A Backup to disc option would be welcomed.

Yes, it would.

And it's a good suggestion to backup the resource directory for those who know how to locate and copy it to an exteernal hard drive.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/30660#Comment_30660

I believe that Brad G on another post said that all but 2 resources are available for DL from the cloud.

On the other hand, there are more than 2 old Logos 2.0 help manuals that Logos 4 has not DLed to me, not that I want them in Logos 4, but they are in my license.

We're trying to ensure that every resource we are legally allowed to distribute is available for automatic download, but it's possible that we have missed some old third-party files; our goal is to eventually collect and upload them all to our server. The 2 resources you mentioned are files that (without a contract change) we can't ever put on the server. (Sorry, I still don't remember which ones they are; I should try to look that up at work.)

Although (to contradict my previous statement), there are some (like LLS 2.x help files, catalogue files, LDLS3 overview books, etc.) that we're choosing not to make available, because they don't make much sense inside Logos 4. If you really want to have them, you could scan an old LLS or LDLS CD to import them.

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31058#Comment_31058

Although (to contradict my previous statement), there are some (like LLS 2.x help files, catalogue files, LDLS3 overview books, etc.) that we're choosing not to make available, because they don't make much sense inside Logos 4. If you really want to have them, you could scan an old LLS or LDLS CD to import them.

While I may never use some of these - and thus really don't care, I think that kind of list should be available. Just in case someone asks, we can point them to something like http://www.logos.com/deprecated <- (note that's not a real link)

Vincent Xavier Shaw

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/30622#Comment_30622

What is the specs on your machine? I'd love to know how a netbook
with only 1GB of RAM and a slow hard drive will do, fast or not so...

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/30622#Comment_30622

However I wonder why there should be a difference in the number of hits?

You have to be sure you are searching the same books on both computers.

Search options have to be the same. L4's default is "no stemming" ie. "Match all word forms" is unticked when you click the little arrow under the big Search icon.

Might be an idea to tick this as L3's default is a stemming search giving you more hits.