Kindle Fire

Short Answer: We don't know. The new Kindle Fire does run apps, but not much is known at this point. It is my understanding that the Fire will run an old version of Android. It may need to be hacked to get Logos to work.

We don't know.  One issue is that Amazon tightly controls its OS, approved applications, etc. Logos has NOT yet been approved in Amazon AppStore (application has been submitted, I've heard).

being a competitor in e-reader market, Amazon may well disallow Logos app on their new Kindle Fire. We will have to wait and see.

The other, and bigger issue for me personally is Fire's memory limitation. It ships with 8Gb of memory and heavily relies on cloud services, which is good when you have a reliable Wi-Fi connection. Kindle Fire is more of a hand-held streaming device, than an offline multimedia player/reader.  Still, there are plenty of room for 1000s of logos books to install for offline use.

Another forum user posted about this in THIS THREAD.

It is my understanding that the Fire will run an old version of Android. It may need to be hacked to get Logos to work.

according to reports I read, it COULD be an older version of Android, but in any case, the interface is totally changed specifically for Amazon Kindles. There is no doubt that it CAN be rooted/hacked, but it would probably result in breaking some of functionality and integration with Amazon's Cloud Player, Prime membership, Silk browser, etc. Amazon would probably fight tooth and nail (via patches, etc) any attempt to limit their control over interface and applications.

We'll also want to see if Amazon's tablet takes off or not. Our goal is to provide you with access to your library on the platforms that have substantial market share. If the Amazon tablet captures a big enough share of the market, it's likely we'll make sure our apps work there.

Are you kidding me? With all the licensing deals Amazon just made for video and magazine content (FOX, Hearst, Conde Nast, and Meredith) and their substantial existing Kindle user base it has a better ecosystem than any competitor out there. As a company, Logos took a "wait-and-see" approach with Android in general, and by the latest account Android market share rose to 43% and iPhone held steady at 28!!!

What if most of your users took a "wait and see" approach in 2009 when you just released L4?

Are you kidding me? With all the licensing deals Amazon just made for video and magazine content (FOX, Hearst, Conde Nast, and Meredith) and their substantial existing Kindle user base it has a better ecosystem than any competitor out there. As a company, Logos took a "wait-and-see" approach with Android in general, and by the latest account Android market share rose to 43% and iPhone held steady at 28!!!

I agree that it's success is quite probable. So is Window 8's. But we have limited resources, and we do our best to invest them wisely. As much as we'd like to do it all, we have to prioritize.

What if most of your users took a "wait and see" approach in 2009 when you just released L4?

They did. Far more users have upgraded to Logos 4 since the initial launch than did when we first launched.

According to several reports I've seen apps will be "Side Loadable according to Amazon Sources." If true you could load Apps to the device that are not in the Amazon App store without jailbreaking it. I refuse to spend $200 on something I intend to break. I remember when $200 was a lot of money, and I'm only 34! Now everyone is talking about it as if its pocket change. Its certainly a good price for the device but I want to hear some more hands on, through-the-ringer reviews before making any decisions.

As a company, Logos took a "wait-and-see" approach with Android in general, and by the latest account Android market share rose to 43% and iPhone held steady at 28!!!

Yes, I am a Mac FanBoy. No, I am not trying to pick a fight... but...

I don't think it is fair to talk about Android Marketshare in the way that you have. Andrioid is fragmented. That 43% is broken up into many pieces which are not always compatible. 

By the way... If Logos were to come to the Kindle Fire... (whisper) I might be interested. [:)]

We may choose to make our Android apps available in Amazon's app store, but I don't think we've decided to do so yet.

I contacted Dan Pritchett and he responded saying it was already submitted.

I refuse to spend $200 on something I intend to break.

In Russia, anything local you buy frequently requires complete disassembly, modification and assembly even before you begin using a device. So welcome to globalized economy.

Yes, I am a Mac FanBoy. No, I am not trying to pick a fight... but...

just pushing your buttons, brother [;)]

In all seriousness though, fragmentation is a good thing. I like having options. Android fits all kind of demographics and price points. as far as devices not always being compatible, this is not a valid argument as not all Fords have interchangeable parts, nor do they run on the same fuel.  I sure would hate to live in a world where there were only 5 models of cars/trucks/vans.

I wonder if the memory will be expandable.

I wonder if the memory will be expandable.

There is no SD or MicroSD slot. The only hope is through a usb port which "may" enable the use of a flash card reader.

I wonder if the memory will be expandable.

There is no SD or MicroSD slot. The only hope is through a usb port which "may" enable the use of a flash card reader.

The whole point of the fire is that it accesses Amazon "in the cloud."

In all seriousness though, fragmentation is a good thing. I like having options. Android fits all kind of demographics and price points. as far as devices not always being compatible, this is not a valid argument as not all Fords have interchangeable parts, nor do they run on the same fuel.  I sure would hate to live in a world where there were only 5 models of cars/trucks/vans.

I don't think that you a using a proper analogy. Not all "Fords" have interchangeable parts, but all 2011 "Ford Mustangs" do.

The whole point of the fire is that it accesses Amazon "in the cloud."

That would be Amazon's point for making the Kindle Fire, but it would not be my point for buying the Amazon Kindle.

There is no SD or MicroSD slot. The only hope is through a usb port which "may" enable the use of a flash card reader.

The question is whether Amazon will allow Logos to have an Amazon app. I buy a lot of stuff from Amazon, but I don't need a tablet to make it easier to buy more. My primary interest is using Logos on a tablet. Yesterday I thought of buying the Amazon new tablet, but in light of what is being said on this forum I will take a wait and see approach.

The biggest competitor for Logos used to be Bibleworks and the other Bible software companies. Bibleworks competes strongly in the area of original language study. But they don't come even close to having the extensive resources that are available in Logos. Logos used to be primarily a Bible study program. Now there are extensive number of users who use Logos for reading both in Logos and now in Vyrso. Logos is now a competitor with Amazon.

We are seeing in the market that it is important to have content. Logos has content and they have to find the best technology to make that content accessible to their users. Amazon had content and even thought they waited to add the new tablet the odds are that it will succeed. Logos has enough content to give them time to investigate and pursue the best options.

Perhaps what LOGOS needs to do is partner with one or more Android Tablet makers - sell it with the Logos App already installed, but allow it to be open to the Android App store.  Rather than selling a closed system, offer a value-added open system.

I pre-ordered a Fire to get in the queue, but I'm waiting for some reviews and how Logos relates to it. The Fire's attraction to me is admittedly the price tag, but its target audience is not me (I've never watched a movie on a computer). I may end up canceling my order because of the Fire's screen size, small resident storage, and cloud dependency.

The whole point of the fire is that it accesses Amazon "in the cloud."

That would be Amazon's point for making the Kindle Fire, but it would not be my point for buying the Amazon Kindle.

I have found that things work best when they are used the way they were intended... The fire intrigues me, if Logos were able to be installed. Otherwise, I will stick with my (wife's [:)]) iPad.

The whole point of the fire is that it accesses Amazon "in the cloud."

That would be Amazon's point for making the Kindle Fire, but it would not be my point for buying the Amazon Kindle.

I have found that things work best when they are used the way they were intended... The fire intrigues me, if Logos were able to be installed. Otherwise, I will stick with my (wife's ) iPad.

 

Appears Amazon is selling Kindle Fire bit below cost to manufacture => http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2393947,00.asp

Likewise would be intrigued if Logos app works on Kindle Fire plus reading rumors about 10.1 inch and 8.9 inch versions slated for next year => Foxconn may produce Amazon 10.1" tablet after having passed on Kindle Fire

Keep Smiling [:)]

The whole point of the fire is that it accesses Amazon "in the cloud."

That would be Amazon's point for making the Kindle Fire, but it would not be my point for buying the Amazon Kindle.

lol

I have found that things work best when they are used the way they were intended... The fire intrigues me, if Logos were able to be installed. Otherwise, I will stick with my (wife's ) iPad.

 

lol, me too

The whole point of the fire is that it accesses Amazon "in the cloud."

I wonder whether the Pillar NT commentary will be available for the Logos app on the Fire in the Cloud both night and day? (Ex 13:21)

I wonder whether the Pillar NT commentary will be available for the Logos app on the Fire in the Cloud both night and day? (Ex 13:21)

[:D]

I wonder whether the Pillar [commentary] ... on the Fire in the Cloud both night and day? (Ex 13:21)

Too warped, Rosie.  :-)

It's small memory may not be a no go for logos. Logos reads everything from it's own cloud and isn't super functional without it. So the real question is will you always have access to WiFi (most smart phones will make a small wifi hot spot, including the iPhone). Unless you have portfolio level Logos there is likely no problem putting all your available resources on the 8GB device. I will still be waiting for iPad3, but if the smaller screen (a 7 inch screen gives you 42% the viewing space of a 9.7) is ok for you and you not looking at it for options beyond kindle books and logos, it will likely be a pretty ideal thing.but wanting to have 20 GB of music files and much more means it;s not for me...

-Dan

I got one because of the low pricepoint. I figure it is worth a try.

I also bought one to give away. So, if you don't want to drop the coin to test it out, I'm giving one away on my site, BestSeminary.com (http://best-seminary.com/win-kindle-fire-and-more/). Including the Fire, we're giving away about $700 worth of resources from Zondervan, Crossway, WTSBooks, Eisenbrauns, and more. Enter to win and you can see for yourself if Logos will be available on the Fire.

Ryan the link in your post appends the backslash and closing parenthesis to the URL.  You'll have to edit that one.

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Keep Smiling [:)]

Any word on Logos on the Fire? I have one ordered, but if I can't use Logos on it, I will probably cancel.

Jerry

Any word on Logos on the Fire? I have one ordered, but if I can't use Logos on it, I will probably cancel.

Logos ordered one, (or someone at Logos ordered one) to test.  Until actual testing happens we really won't know.  But since the Fire uses a heavily modified "older" Android OS the guess is yours to make.

will Verso (that new logos reader program) work on it?

will Verso (that new logos reader program) work on it?

Right now, no. By the way, the Vyrso and Logos apps are the same "under the hood."

The whole point of the fire is that it accesses Amazon "in the cloud."

I wonder whether the Pillar NT commentary will be available for the Logos app on the Fire in the Cloud both night and day? (Ex 13:21)

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after reading this:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/07/amazon-adds-kindle-fire-specific-details-to-developer-portal-a/

I'm not sure Logos will work on the Kindle Fire w/o some changes on Logos' end. Since their app basically requires an SD card to be present, it'll automatically be rejected from the Amazon App Store & likely won't run on the Fire.

Logs requires an SD card? News to me. Or is that the Android app? I only have it on my iPod Touch.

Jerry

Jerry, the Android app requires an SD card, which is where Logos downloads all of the books to.

Apparently you are right! From the Logos for Andriod page:

"Logos for Android requires Android 2.1 or higher and supports Android Honeycomb 3.x for tablets. The Logos for Android app requires about 20MB of free space on the device, and an SD card must be present (some devices, like the Nexus S, have the equivalent of an SD card built in)."

http://www.logos.com/mobile/android

some devices, like the Nexus S, have the equivalent of an SD card built in

Would be nice if this holds true for the Kindle Fire as well. I guess time will tell.

Wow. That might kill the Logos app for the Kindle Fire then. That is too bad because I really wanted to use it. Might have to cancel my order for the Fire. Leaning toward a cancel, but kind of torn.

Wonder if YouVersion will work? At least I could do Bible reading on there, if not study.

Jerry

I canceled my Fire pre-order. For my perceived needs, a 7", 8GB tablet will be too small on both counts.

Jerry - 

YouVersion has a website, so I would think you would be able to access it that way if not through a native app. I would recommend, however, that you take a "wait and see" approach. Even though the "price is right," if it is any good they will still be making it later. By then you should have a better idea of what you want.

Vyrso appears to be in Amazon app store now.

Either Dan or Bob said that they were going to submit to the Amazon App Store and it looks like Vyrso made it through.

Either Dan or Bob said that they were going to submit to the Amazon App Store and it looks like Vyrso made it through.

Does that mean Vyrso will work with an older Kindle?

Does that mean Vyrso will work with an older Kindle?

Nicky - I would love to know how/if the Vyrso app can work with the various Kindle's. Being an Apple Fanboy ([:)]) I do not have much experience with other tablets/readers. Are you asking this question because you have an older Kindle? If so, can't you try to download the program and see if it works?

Does that mean Vyrso will work with an older Kindle?

Nicky,

The older Kindles are not designed to run apps, so I would think not.

Does that mean Vyrso will work with an older Kindle?

 

Nicky,

The older Kindles are not designed to run apps, so I would think not.

Thank you, Nord.  This answers my question.

(Alabama:  yes to both questions.)

In fact I'm very happy with my old Kindle.  I use iPad when I have more space to spread myself, but KIndle is great for reading in strong sunlight, waiting in queues, on buses etc - and when priest arrives very late for church, a not infrequent occurrence...

I am pretty happy to see that Vyrso has been approved, even if the Logos app is not. I can't imagine doing any real Bible study on a tablet, but I can do some reading on it.

As far as older Kindles, no. The only thing the Fire has in common with the other Kindles is the name. None of the older ones, and none of the new non-Fire ones, run Android. I LOVE my K3 for reading because of the e-ink; it is fantastic. But you could never run apps on that screen.

Just a little more than 2 weeks until my Fire arrives!

Jerry