Logos Books on Kindle

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Luke B. Wolford | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Oct 12 2011 11:31 AM

Is there a way to convert Logos books to a format which Kindle could read?

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 12 2011 11:46 AM

Maybe, but not legally, its the licence to read it in the Logos version you have purchased depending on publisher

 

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Luke B. Wolford | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 12 2011 11:52 AM

Ah. Well that answers it. Thanks. Don't want to break any laws.

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 12 2011 12:15 PM

Dominic,

I am not at all sure that you are correct about that.  It would certainly be illegal to distribute or share a logos book that you converted to KIndle, but I seriously doubt that it is illegal to convert it for personal use.

You are aware the courts have ruled, for example, that copyrighted music can be converted for personal use.  This would seem to be the same thing.

If it is indeed illegal, I would like to know.  Do you know of any legal opinion on converting the format of a book for personal use? 

I am not trying to be argumentative here.  I sincerely would like to know if there is a legal precedent on this. 

Thanks.

 

 

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nicky crane | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 12 2011 12:33 PM

One of the Pritchetts said they are not too fussed about us converting Logos books to Kindle format for personal use.

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Rod Bergen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 12 2011 4:39 PM

nicky crane:
One of the Pritchetts said they are not too fussed about us converting Logos books to Kindle format for personal use.

See http://community.logos.com/forums/p/27872/223644.aspx#223644 for the official unofficial position on exporting to the Kindle.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 13 2011 2:43 AM

Michael Childs:
You are aware the courts have ruled, for example, that copyrighted music can be converted for personal use.

I am not sure if this is correct.  I know that we can make a copy of the file; converting the file is a different story.

Our End User Licence Agreement with Logos states that we cannot "copy the Software or Content except to make archival or backup copies as provided above."

As it has been stated that Logos' official policy is to look the other way.  This being said, it is not legal (IMHO) to convert Logos' books to another format to be used in another program.

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 13 2011 12:37 PM

I'll leave the question of legality for you guys to wrangle over. Usually these discussions produce more heat than light.

Still, I have found the mobile view of Biblia.com to be increasingly helpful to read my Logos books on my Kindle. It's a little cumbersome, but that's as much from the limitations of the Kindle as anything else, IMO. Fortunately, I have 3G as well as WiFi on my Kindle 3 (now styled the Kindle Keyboard), so I almost always can access my books that I simply want to read.

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 13 2011 12:39 PM

Luke B. Wolford:

Is there a way to convert Logos books to a format which Kindle could read?

Maybe with the Vyrso app you don't have to? (see separate logos forum on Vyrso)

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Robert Peters | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 13 2011 2:20 PM

You do not have to use there web browser. Go to library.logos.com most of the logos books are on there. When I go there I normally go there and use the the article view to view the page.

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 15 2011 8:36 PM

tom collinge:

Michael Childs:
You are aware the courts have ruled, for example, that copyrighted music can be converted for personal use.

I am not sure if this is correct.  I know that we can make a copy of the file; converting the file is a different story.

It is a fact that the courts have ruled that one can convert a cd to an mp3.   Since then even Microsoft and Apple provide free software to do so.  Therefore, it would seem reasonable  to convert a file to a different format for personal use that you have a legal license to read.  I believe that to be the law of the land.  If courts rule otherwise, I would certainly not do so.

If you feel otherwise, I would suggest that you not do so.  That is your choice.  Let the peace of God rule in your heart.

Since Bob Pritchett said, "Logos does not yet have an official position on putting books on the Kindle", we should all follow our own conscience on the issue.  I have converted logos books to Kindle for my personal use, and feel it was perfectly legal and moral to do so.  However, I have little need to do that now that I use my iPad and the Logos app. 

I would hesitate to tell others what they ought to do or not to do in this matter.  It is a bit presumptuous to do so. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 15 2011 8:53 PM

Michael Childs:
It is a fact that the courts have ruled that one can convert a cd to an mp3.

This is true in the United States. In other jurisdictions, this may not be true. Converting movies is MUCH fuzzier. 

Michael Childs:

For personal use I think it is legal to convert a file from one format to another.

Perhaps you feel written material copywrite may be different, but I would need to see evidence of that.

I tend to agree with you on this issue, unless of course, there is some sort of copy protection or legal statement prohibiting such action.

 

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Robert Peters | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 15 2011 9:19 PM

Why not just use the browser in the Kindle?

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Rod Bergen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 17 2011 9:53 AM

Robert Peters:

You do not have to use there web browser. Go to library.logos.com most of the logos books are on there. When I go there I normally go there and use the the article view to view the page.

You don't have to use the Kindle browser to access library.logos.com?  How do you access it if not through the browser?

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Rod Bergen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 18 2011 8:21 AM

Robert Peters:

Why not just use the browser in the Kindle?

I had never used Article mode in the browser and it appears to work.  However, accessing Logos 4 books via the Kindle browser is very cumbersome.  Every single time I pick up the Kindle I have to log in and then navigate to the book that I want to read.

It can be done but it is awkward to use.

 

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 18 2011 10:48 AM

Taxee:

Robert Peters:

Why not just use the browser in the Kindle?

I had never used Article mode in the browser and it appears to work.  However, accessing Logos 4 books via the Kindle browser is very cumbersome.  Every single time I pick up the Kindle I have to log in and then navigate to the book that I want to read.

It can be done but it is awkward to use.

Taxee, are you referring to both Biblia.com and library.logos.com via the Kindle browser? I don't generally have to sign in again to Biblia.com, but when I do it's a pain. Still, Biblia.com works well in mobile view, but not nearly well and hassle-free, I'm sure, as on a tablet with the appropriate Logos app. And I'm eagerly awaiting iPad 3 with, hopefully, better resolution.

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Rod Bergen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 18 2011 3:32 PM

Bill Moore:

Taxee, are you referring to both Biblia.com and library.logos.com via the Kindle browser? I don't generally have to sign in again to Biblia.com, but when I do it's a pain. Still, Biblia.com works well in mobile view, but not nearly well and hassle-free, I'm sure, as on a tablet with the appropriate Logos app. And I'm eagerly awaiting iPad 3 with, hopefully, better resolution.

I was using library.logos.com but will try Biblia.com. 

With 200+ people working at Logos, I would have thought that it would be possible to do a website that was designed for kindle reading.

I have an iPad as well as a couple of kindles.  The iPad is not well suited for long periods of reading.  The Kindle is a much better reading device for long sessions (my eyes don't hurt).

 

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