It's become so sluggish!
Logos 4 got so sluggish nowadays that almost I can't use it.
Is my computer the culprit or the Logos 4?
AMD Phenom X4 9650 Quad core process, Win 7, 8 gig. 64 gig SSD.
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what seems to be the problem?
It appears your computer has plenty of muscle, but I have read about earlier SSD having performance issues after a while. It affects smaller capacity SSDs more than larger ones and Samsung controllers seem to be really bad.
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Are you running the current Logos Beta?
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Hi Bokman,
you may want to try some of the ideas here in this wiki page: Speeding up Logos 4 responses
Also take a look at this wiki page: Logos Running Slowly
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It's not a beta.
It seems taking some time, about 5 minutes, to be ready fully after the initial opening of the program.
I got "not responding" messages then; now it works ok.
I guess it might be the cause that I have the library in other hard drive. I moved the Logos library fold from C drive to other drive to give some room to 64 SSD C drive.
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@ Steve,
Thanks for your tip!
I'll look into that!.
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My tablet is very show to show highlighting, especially if I am highlighting quickly. My i5 spikes to 100% and stays there for a while. It is also slow to open a layout, and if I try to use it before it is "Ready", it usually crashes. My i7 desktop fairs better, but it also isn't speedy.
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Dear Brother Ward,
Thanks for sharing your experience. I guess Logos 4 is a bit bulky due to its enormous size of data. Yes, it is really a big program handling more than 10 gigs each time in my case. I guess I should be patient with it for now till I get a real heavy duty machine that is made with a dual i7 cpu board with 16 gig memory and 2 gig video card.
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Bokman Han said:
I guess it might be the cause that I have the library in other hard drive. I moved the Logos library fold from C drive to other drive to give some room to 64 SSD C drive.
That would not account for the 5 minutes; HD's are not that slow!
Bokman Han said:I got "not responding" messages then; now it works ok.
Enable logging http://wiki.logos.com/Diagnostic_Logging. If it occurs again upload the logos4.log.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Bokman Han said:
I guess I should be patient with it for now till I get a real heavy duty machine that is made with a dual i7 cpu board with 16 gig memory and 2 gig video card.
I hope you didn't do that just for Logos because you might be disappointed; the Forums have many tales of woe from users with a "super computer".
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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That's just my dream, which may come true someday. [:)][:)]
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toughski said:
It appears your computer has plenty of muscle, but I have read about earlier SSD having performance issues after a while. It affects smaller capacity SSDs more than larger ones and Samsung controllers seem to be really bad.
Wiki has Mac Troubleshooting => Slow Performance includes:
- Solid State Disk Reconditioning - older Solid State Disks (SSD) may need periodic reconditioning (during searching, Logos 4 can create many small temp files)
May 2009 SSD performance article => http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9132668/Analysis_SSD_performance_is_a_slowdown_inevitable_
Bokman Han said:AMD Phenom X4 9650 Quad core process, Win 7, 8 gig. 64 gig SSD.
Noted CPU was introduced on 27 Mar 2008 => http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Phenom%20X4%209650%20-%20HD9650WCJ4BGH%20%28HD9650WCGHBOX%29.html
Looking at a CPU intensive benchmark comparison, appears AMD Phenom X4 9650 is a tad faster than Logos 4 recommended system => http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/Linux-Gzip,842.html
Currently Logos 4 is a 32 bit application; personally downloaded free RAMDisk software and configured a 640 MB R: RAM Disk for temporary file use by my Windows 7 standard user. After changing user environment variables (TEMP and TMP), Logos 4 searches are now writing temporary files to RAM instead of disk; RAMDisk configuration includes writing to/from disk when restarting computer so temporary files have persistence across reboots.
Note: my RAM disk has 112 MB of files after several months of use. Also tend to have ~3 GB of RAM used as cache by 64 bit Windows 7 on a laptop with 8 GB of RAM installed.
Likewise partitioned my hard drive so the fastest partition has custom Logos 4 installation and Windows 7 page file => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/24555/295852.aspx#295852
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Brother toughski,
Thanks you for sharing a great tip for making Logos 4 running faster.
I'll try it.
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By the way, what RAMDisk software do you use?
Any recommendation?
Thanks in advance.
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Ward Walker said:
My tablet is very show to show highlighting, especially if I am highlighting quickly. My i5 spikes to 100% and stays there for a while. It is also slow to open a layout, and if I try to use it before it is "Ready", it usually crashes. My i7 desktop fairs better, but it also isn't speedy.
In the hopes that a Logos developer has the time to look into the lengthy delays that I face when using L4Win and highlighting on an i5 Win7 Tablet, I'll attach a log file from a simple session tonight.
I opened Logos and after about 2 min for the program to start up,
I used it for 22 minutes, highlighting a chapter of text in the ESV and sometimes consulting Biblical Places.
No highlighting appeared as I applied it.
Instead, after 18 minutes of work [during which Logos kept all 4 processors at nearly 100%], I stopped for 4 minutes to let L4Win catch up--it then applied all the highlighting at once. I closed a floating window and shut down Logos.
I could have probably worked for far longer before Logos caught up and displayed the highlighting, but at a certain point I am unable to keep working because I can't keep a mental picture of the highlighting that I've already applied.
Please, please, please Logos developers...optimize a release soon so that the program is more responsive to applying highlights.455840.Logos4.log
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Thanks Brother Toughski!
I have installed it and it seems working great and Logos 4 hasn't show sings of sluggishness yet though I have my computer running overnight. Usually, when my computer stays running overnight or waken up from sleep, Logos 4 becomes very unresponsive. But this morning it works fine.
If anyone experiences sluggishness of Logos 4, try RamDisk software. It might be the answer till Logos team does something to solve the problem.
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Glad to read RAMDisk improved Logos 4 responsiveness.[8-|]
After looking at my Temp usage, changed my RAMDisk size to 324 MB along with deleting Temp contents.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Not sure how to do this KS4J.
Would you mind giving very specific steps to setting up your RAM Disk? I am running Win7-64 with 8GB RAM
I have installed RAMDisk, but am not sure how to proceed. The instructions seem to be conflicting in some parts... use this feature but not if you intend to do this....
If I run RAM Disk and create a RAM disk and tell it to create a TEMP directory, how does this work on an unformatted partition? Do I need to create a disk, format to NTFS, create a TEMP directory and modify the user variables to point to that directory? I get a bit lost in there...
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Bill Cook said:
Do I need to create a disk, format to NTFS, create a TEMP directory and modify the user variables to point to that directory?
I agree with your caution in proceeding with this. I got into difficulties after creating NTFS and could only restart in Window's Safe mode and then I decided to uninstall it. It may be safer to use the default file system, FAT32.
Dave
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Hi Bokman,
May I know
- how much free disk space you are left with in your SSD after installing Win 7 and Logos 4 and whatever else.
- what brand and model SSD you are using
Thoughts: You need to have sufficient Free Disk Space for most SSD to work properly, also depending on which brand and model the Garbage Collection behavior of the respective firmware can be quite different.
Sounds like your RamDisk solution avoided the littering of Logos temp files on your SSD that your SSD garbage collection process cannot catchup with.
I am new to SSD, I would expect SSD to be able to work without resorting to using RamDisk like in your case, as you might want to memory to be available for other purposes. I would like to understand a little more, would appreciate your answer to above questions. Thanks.
JK
MacBookPro Retina 15" Late 2013 2.6GHz RAM:16GB SSD:500GB macOS Sierra 10.12.3 | iPhone 7 Plus iOS 10.2.1
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Bill Cook said:
Do I need to create a disk, format to NTFS, create a TEMP directory and modify the user variables to point to that directory?
Essentially yes. After creating disk, also assigned drive letter (R:) along with formatting NTFS (to match format of my Windows 7 partitions).
Personally using two accounts on Windows 7: administrative and standard. I used the administrative account to: create RAM disk, assign drive letter (e.g. R:), format NTFS, create a folder on my R: drive with standard user name, and verify/change folder permissions so standard user can folder.
For RAM Disk, have chosen to save contents when shutting down and load them during startup (autosave is unchecked). After creating folder in R: drive, restarted computer to check R: drive operation, including folder being available after restart. Note: needed to save disk image first before could check load image at startup.
As my standard user, created Temp directory within my R: drive user folder, then changed environment variables using Windows 7 Control Panel for User Accounts.
By the way, personally learned a RAM Disk of 320 MB is adequate for normal Logos 4 use, but is too small for completely rebuilding my library index. To allow rebuild index to complete, changed environment variables to use C: drive. After indexing done (bit over 3 hours later), closed Logos 4, then changed environment variables back to R: path.
LimJK said:Sounds like your RamDisk solution avoided the littering of Logos temp files on your SSD that your SSD garbage collection process cannot catchup with.
Solid State Disk (SSD) has finite capacity for changing bits so avoiding temporary file writes and deletes effectively extends SSD usable life. SSD controllers spread file writes to level flash memory wear in SSD.
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Solid State Disk (SSD) has finite capacity for changing bits so avoiding temporary file writes and deletes effectively extends SSD usable life. SSD controllers spread file writes to level flash memory wear in SSD.
Keep Smiling
Point taken ... read somewhere that the life time write cycles for each cell in SSD is in the order of 5,000 to 10,000. So, anything that helps to reduce wear is good.
I think, if wear leveling is working correctly, it should represent quite a few years of useful life. [:)] I have 3 years warranty.
JK
MacBookPro Retina 15" Late 2013 2.6GHz RAM:16GB SSD:500GB macOS Sierra 10.12.3 | iPhone 7 Plus iOS 10.2.1
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Currently Logos 4 is a 32 bit application; personally downloaded free RAMDisk software and configured a 640 MB R: RAM Disk for temporary file use by my Windows 7 standard user. After changing user environment variables (TEMP and TMP), Logos 4 searches are now writing temporary files to RAM instead of disk; RAMDisk configuration includes writing to/from disk when restarting computer so temporary files have persistence across reboots.
I have installed this program. To get it to work with L4 do I need to do anything special? You mentioned changing the TEMP and TMP variables? Can you give me a few details for setting this up so that it speeds up L4? I appreciate your help!
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I have a C:\ disk drive formatted for NTFS
After looking at this I am assuming that I should just change the environment variable Temp and tmp to point to the ramdisk (ie. R:\Ramdisk). Also do I use the fat 32 setting? Do I check the "create Temp directory" checkbox?
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Tim Engwer said:
Currently Logos 4 is a 32 bit application; personally downloaded free RAMDisk software and configured a 640 MB R: RAM Disk for temporary file use by my Windows 7 standard user. After changing user environment variables (TEMP and TMP), Logos 4 searches are now writing temporary files to RAM instead of disk; RAMDisk configuration includes writing to/from disk when restarting computer so temporary files have persistence across reboots.
I have installed this program. To get it to work with L4 do I need to do anything special? You mentioned changing the TEMP and TMP variables? Can you give me a few details for setting this up so that it speeds up L4? I appreciate your help!
For searches and indexing, Logos 4 writes many temporary files. By convention, the TEMP and TMP environment variables have the same path to a folder for temporary files. Many programs on Windows use the TEMP and TMP variables so changing these environment variables to use a RAM Disk also affects other programs.
Some Windows programs create a lot of temporary files and leaves them. If using a RAM disk for temporary files, recommend periodically checking TEMP folder for leftover stuff, which can be moved elsewhere or deleted.
Windows 7 uses memory for caching files so a smaller RAM disk allows Windows 7 to cache more files.
Earlier in this thread posted several setup details => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/42235/320135.aspx#320135 wonder what question(s) remain ?
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After looking at my Temp usage, changed my RAMDisk size to 324 MB along with deleting Temp contents.
Initial resource release for Dictionary of Latin Forms provided a reason to rebuild my library index, which ran out of Temp space (needed more than 283 MB) so changed environment variables to use C: drive while rebuilding index.
Thankful for later release of Dictionary of Latin Forms that has smaller index impact.
Likewise partitioned my hard drive so the fastest partition has custom Logos 4 installation and Windows 7 page file => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/24555/295852.aspx#295852
With initial Dictionary of Latin Forms resource, also experienced my F: partition (40 GB) running out of space since did not have enough space for postings to be merged into a new copy of Library Index along with temporary indexing files. Temporary workaround was moving page file.
With my Logos library growing from sales and freebies, anticipating disk modification will be needed to increase my F: (Fast) partition size from 40 GB to 64 GB.
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After creating disk, also assigned drive letter (R:) along with formatting NTFS (to match format of my Windows 7 partitions).
Hi, I installed that RAMDisk software, but I didn't see any possibility to format to NTFS. How should I do that?
What else should I do on the Load and Save tab (I didn't understand when you said 'For RAM Disk, have chosen to save contents when shutting down and load them during startup (autosave is unchecked)')? Is everything unchecked?
As my standard user, created Temp directory within my R: drive user folder, then changed environment variables using Windows 7 Control Panel for User Accounts.
Not sure how to do that. There is so much on this dialog and I don't want to make a mess.
Any help welcome!
Patrick
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Patrick Rietveld said:
RAMDisk Settings does not have option to format as NTFS so clicked Unformatted. Computer Management has Disk Management that can create partitions, assign drive letter, and format as NTFS:
After using right click on RAM Disk storage in Disk Management to create a partition (maximum size), noticed couple MB were left unallocated. Right click on partition also has "Change Drive Letter and Path..." and "Format..."
One way to open Computer Management is right click on Computer, then click Manage.
By the way, screen shot shows 11 % used in my R: drive so has been awhile since periodic cleaning (deleting) of temporary files. One idea for cleaning is after reboot for installing security updates.
Patrick Rietveld said:What else should I do on the Load and Save tab (I didn't understand when you said 'For RAM Disk, have chosen to save contents when shutting down and load them during startup (autosave is unchecked)')? Is everything unchecked?
After formatting RAM Disk, clicked "Save Disk Image Now" to create image file, then checked Load and Save:
Patrick Rietveld said:After RAM Disk is formatted for use, used my standard user account to create a Temp folder in my R: Drive, then clicked Variable to highlight, then clicked edit so could change value to R:\Temp folder.
Caveat: personally learned to change User Variables back to %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\Temp before using rebuild index command in Logos 4 because my RAM disk is too small during library indexing. After indexes have been created, then can change User Variables to RAM disk for normal Logos 4 use.
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Thanks for the explanation. I think it works!
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