Evernote Integration!

Enough said. OK, maybe not. I would to have an option in the right-click menu to add a highlighted block of text sent to Evernote, perhaps similar to their web clippers for all the major browsers. It would be even better if the clipped note included/sent the bibliographical reverence info with it.

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mike macon

Here, here.

Jerry Fourroux

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/317066#Comment_317066

Bring it!

John Kaess

Pretty please?

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/317167#Comment_317167

Logos User Voice suggestion => Import/Export notes to/from Evernote. has 195 votes: currently # 19 overall.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Russ White

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/317194#Comment_317194

I would really prefer onenote integration over evernote... I've used both for a long time, but I've slid to only using onenote recently, because of the greater capabilities of the product. The only downside is there is no native mac version --but there is a web based version with most of the capabilities to cover that base.

If you consider evernote, please consider Onenote --it's a much more useful product for actually taking notes beyond a simple todo list.

:-)

toughski

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/317888#Comment_317888

In my observation, MS products don't play well with Logos.

Libronix was heavily reliant on IE and needed to be fixed every time Microsoft updated their browser.

Now LOGOS picked Word for creating work files for Personal Books. As is commonly known, Word adds all kinds of mark up that is invisible to users but which trips Logos parser. It's a mess.

I don't think it is God's will for Logos to marry anyone in Microsoft family [;)]

Wingfield

I am! Evernote use with Logos would be a brilliant edition.

Bob Pritchett

I've heard a lot about Evernote integration, but am not sure exactly what that means, or if it means the same thing to every user.

Just the ability to "Send to Evernote" from a right-click? Or is there more to it than that?

David Buckham

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318675#Comment_318675

I would say just the ability to clip to Evernote would be phenomenal! Typically the click would launch a new note for Evernote.

Michael McLane

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318677#Comment_318677

I am completely against the idea. I just cannot stand the icon! I mean, is that an elephant? Really? [:^)]

Philana Crouch

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318687#Comment_318687

I can see where some night find this helpful, I personally prefer to keep my notes within Logos.

Ben

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318692#Comment_318692

Yes Bob, basic integration would just look like a right-click option from selected text, copying the text and perhaps reference/page number. Ideally, one could choose between a new Evernote note and the current note, but new note as default would be great.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318701#Comment_318701

Yes Bob, basic integration would just look like a right-click option from selected text, copying the text and perhaps reference/page number. Ideally, one could choose between a new Evernote note and the current note, but new note as default would be great.

Would integration in Logos 4 be functionally different than what happens if you currently do this?

select text in Logos 4
press Ctrl+C
press Ctrl+Alt+V (to paste into Evernote, assuming you haven't changed the default shortcut key)

That is, would you expect direct integration in Logos 4 to accomplish the same result, but just be carried out with mouse clicks rather than keystrokes?

Otto S. Carroll

Enough said. OK, maybe not. I would to have an option in the right-click menu to add a highlighted block of text sent to Evernote, perhaps similar to their web clippers for all the major browsers. It would be even better if the clipped note included/sent the bibliographical reverence info with it.

Who is with me!

I am!!!!

toughski

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318816#Comment_318816

Would integration in Logos 4 be functionally different than what happens if you currently do this?

select text in Logos 4

press Ctrl+C

press Ctrl+Alt+V (to paste into Evernote, assuming you haven't changed the default shortcut key)

That is, would you expect direct integration in Logos 4 to accomplish the same result, but just be carried out with mouse clicks rather than keystrokes?

I think Logos could automate a lot more than just simple content copy/paste. At least, it could include a clipping-type bibliography with a link back to Logos' resource, timestamp...

For our notes on Scripture, could an icon be added, just like for a regular note. I understand, that if a user moves his evernote files, the link would break, but I think it would be simple to restore with Program Setting "Evernote Location"

However, if we are seriously talking about this, how about LOGOS does a survey between a OneNote and Evernote.

Christopher Gunter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318819#Comment_318819

Not all logos users have heard of evernote software (nevermind onenote) so perhaps you could tell us where to get it, and why it is better than MSword, or opensource office. It might have to be part of the logos 4 package when you buy the original software, otherwise those who don't have evernote will see the icon/option there and never use it - just because they don't know what it is.

In addition to this I am interested in the kind of quote/bibliographic reference that would be imported into evernote. I was trying suggest a similar kind of feature in my post called "logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use", but I didn't have the technical wording. The idea is that when you right click on highlighted text to import it to another document outside of logos, there is an option in the menu that tells you about the copyright status of the book, whether it is public domain or not and whether you will be allowed to copy the content to your new document in terms of the logos 4 EULA.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318848#Comment_318848

Having notes in an external piece of software is not an acceptable solution for me. I need to have my notes searched when I cycle through the material again. I see Bible study as a spiral in which each time through builds on what was learned previously. And yes, I mean notes not finished products that I can include in PB's.

With Bob's analogy of writing in the margins of your Bible - would you write in the margins of your Bible if you could never see/read it there? You write in the margins because you want to see it again.

Graham Owen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318819#Comment_318819

For our notes on Scripture, could an icon be added, just like for a regular note.

For me this is the feature that justifies calling the feature integration because as has already been pointed out we can already move information using copy and paste. I would also want this to extend to all notes not just scripture, add the ability to preview the external note by hovering over the icon with the mouse and it all sounds fantatsic...

Like others I currently use OneNote and not EverNote which I guess creates the problem of which programs would Logos integrate with.

Rich DeRuiter

Enough said. OK, maybe not. I would to have an option in the right-click menu to add a highlighted block of text sent to Evernote, perhaps similar to their web clippers for all the major browsers. It would be even better if the clipped note included/sent the bibliographical reverence info with it.

Instead of asking Logos to do this, I wonder if this is the sort of thing the SDK could deal with (and allow)? This would take the burden of development and changes in the target product away from Logos, and put it into the hands of volunteers who create and maintain something they are interested in. It seems to me that a simple Copy/Paste to a target program would not be outside the realm of an SDK possibility - if not on the right-click menu, then via an icon on the shortcut bar?

Yes, it would require a programmer with an interest in the target program (whether Evernote, Onenote, or something else). But, the likelihood of there being one among the vast number of Logos users, is fairly high.

[SDK=Software Development Kit. There is a sort of Logos SDK that some progaming types have used to build modules for Logos that work quite well.]

EDIT: I know. Logos doesn't call it an SDK, and maybe what they've released isn't technically an SDK. But the general concept is the same (been looking for what it is that they released for such addons, and haven't stumbled across it yet).

Brad Fry

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/317888#Comment_317888

I would really prefer onenote integration over evernote...

Russ,

I like OneNote as well but have a question that I've not been able to find the answer to. Will you please email me at texasfrys at gmail dot com? Hopefully you can help me.

Thanks.

Brad

toughski

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318890#Comment_318890

Instead of asking Logos to do this, I wonder if this is the sort of thing the SDK could deal with (and allow)? This would take the burden of development and changes in the target product away from Logos, and put it into the hands of volunteers who create and maintain something they are interested in.

I would be willing to donate $ for such development. Or it could be done on a completely commercial basis: Think of Adobe creating a Cadillac of graphics software and a whole cottage industry of profitable companies selling plugins for Photoshop, etc.

the decision is in the Logos' court.

I do not believe that users mean a simple cut and paste by integration. I sure don't. By the way, I would prefer OneNote despite my previous post.

toughski

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318890#Comment_318890

Instead of asking Logos to do this, I wonder if this is the sort of thing the SDK could deal with (and allow)? This would take the burden of development and changes in the target product away from Logos, and put it into the hands of volunteers who create and maintain something they are interested in.

the decision is in the Logos' court.

I do not believe that users mean a simple cut and paste by "integration". I sure don't. By the way, I would prefer OneNote despite my previous post.

Philana Crouch

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318899#Comment_318899

I would really prefer onenote integration over evernote...

Russ,

I like OneNote as well but have a question that I've not been able to find the answer to. Will you please email me at [deleted email] Hopefully you can help me.

Thanks.

Brad

Brad you need to edit your post ASAP, spambots will mine your email address. Spell it out texasfrys at gmail dot com. Otherwise your email will get spammed!

Blessings,

Philana

Philana Crouch

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318903#Comment_318903

If there were to integration with another capturing program, Evernote would make more sense. It's available on all platforms. Mac users could access OneNote on the web, but I'm not always online...I imagine other users who would really use this feature would also not always be online. Evernote is cross platform, so this one makes the most sense, since Logos does support both platforms...the option needs to work with both (and not as a website solution for some).

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318855#Comment_318855

Having notes in an external piece of software is not an acceptable solution for me.

[Y]

Graham Owen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318906#Comment_318906

Evernote would make more sense. It's available on all platforms.

Assuming that this is true, then logically we would need:

Someone from Logos Development to look into the feasibility of developing the integration.
A user review of Evernote to confirm that it has the capability that is being requested by all of the users.
Assuming the outcome of the above are both positive then we would need a dialogue between developers and users to determine the details of the integration.

We also have to recognise a couple of issues that this approach will introduce:

The future of Notes will depend on future/current versions of Logos being compatible with future/current versions of Evernote.
The security, future availability of our data will be in the hands of Evernote rather than Logos.

Whilst I am currently a OneNote user, I could be persuaded to change if Bob and the Logos team agreed that this is a supportable LONG TERM approach to a fuller function Note capability.

Graham Owen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318855#Comment_318855

Having notes in an external piece of software is not an acceptable solution for me.

Does this not depend on how tightly integrated the solution is?

Brad Fry

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318903#Comment_318903

Thank you, Philana!

Christopher Gunter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318882#Comment_318882

Depending on the nature of the notes that are placed into evernote, the automatic bibliographic reference that is generated would have to be two-fold. It should state (1) that the copied content came from Logos 4 and (2) that the copyright in the copied content belongs to the specified copyright owner. Since the EULA for Logos 4 does not allow for this (see my post "Logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use") your proposed use of evernote (or onenote) would be in direct contradiction to the agreement the end user has with Logos.

Ben

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318941#Comment_318941

I don't see Evernote as a replacement for Logos note functionality; more of a small additional bit of functionality.

Evernote is an excellent program, but it's not a word-processor. I use it for all kinds of things, including the research notes for a book I'm working on.

Graham Owen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318953#Comment_318953

I don't see Evernote as a replacement for Logos note functionality; more of a small additional bit of functionality.

Evernote is an excellent program, but it's not a word-processor.

...and Bob has already made it clear that Notes will never be a Word Processor if that is what you are expecting. Whatever the future of Notes in Logos, whether we end up linking to an external tool or we get some extra function in the internal one we will always need a Word Processor to produce the final documents.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318919#Comment_318919

Does this not depend on how tightly integrated the solution is?

That depends upon how integrated it can be and still be called external. [;)]

Graham Owen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/319015#Comment_319015

That depends upon how integrated it can be and still be called external.

And I think that this could be the Achilles Heal of the integration approach, I would define full integration as EverNote displaying in a Tab within Logos so that the file can be viewed and updated with the option of launching EverNote as a separate program. From a Logos perspective I think this would effectively involve them developing an EverNote Client to access the underlying EverNote file format and that is pretty much the same in effort as a major development of the existing Note function.

If you add in the issues of having Notes functionality controlled by a third party, a dependency on the EverNote synch instead of Logos own internal, the ability for users to mess up the linking by renaming Notes using the EverNote application rather than the Logos Client and the resulting support calls to Logos, it all starts to look a bit unlikely.

I am obviously thinking "out loud" but having thought through this as an approach it does look like focusing on getting Logos to commit to a more robust Notes function is the correct approach. My concern then becomes ensuring that whatever functionality is finally achieved in Logos 4 is included in future versions otherwise we get to go through this again in a few years when Logos 5 or 6 is released.

tom

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/318855#Comment_318855

Having notes in an external piece of software is not an acceptable solution for me. I need to have my notes searched when I cycle through the material again. I see Bible study as a spiral in which each time through builds on what was learned previously. And yes, I mean notes not finished products that I can include in PB's.

With Bob's analogy of writing in the margins of your Bible - would you write in the margins of your Bible if you could never see/read it there? You write in the margins because you want to see it again.

[Y]

Bob, you have asked a very important question.

For me, integration is more than a right click. For me, integration of evernote would take place of the note system.

The item I see with this is that evernote went away from Microsoft's .net/WPF (because they had the same issues with performance that people are still complaining about L4), and L4 is using Microsoft's .net/WPF platform.

For this to happen, L4 would need to catch the input and output from evernote so that it could translate it into something L4 (or L5) could store and use.

Jacob Hantla

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/319027#Comment_319027

I have been a longtime user of evernote, but honestly don't see the reason why we would want to do this. Importing from evernote is as easy as copy and paste. Exporting the same.

Right now, the reason I would see is that Logos doesn't have a way to talk notes on mobile devices, so users are doing that in evernote. Once Logos mobile app can do notetaking, I see no benefit to evernote integration...only the annoyance to Logos of having to maintain integration with a 3rd party software that will change

JimTowler

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/319051#Comment_319051

Logos 4 on PC already has an API, but its very limited in its current form.

If it was extended with the right kinds of extra goodies, some developers could write external Notes, or links to products such as One Note or Evernote etc.

Logos would need to do some solid plumbing work, but from there, the external portion would fall to others to do. I would do much more with the API if it was not so sadly limited as it currently is.

Beloved Amodeo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/319051#Comment_319051

I have been a longtime user of evernote, but honestly don't see the reason why we would want to do this.

I don't use evernote, but it's my understanding that its main utility is inside the browser. If I am correct in this assertion then for me its main usefulness will be with Biblia and not Logos 4. I agree with MJ, I prefer that note taking capability should reside solely in Logos 4. Therefor, what ideas can we generate that would improve note taking within L4?

Luke

I too would love Evernote integration. There would be a number of ways of doing it.

I am currently exploring the new Faithlife app. The least intrusive evernote integration would be the ability to Share to Evernote (like you can to Facebook and Twitter).

It would, as mentioned in a previous post, be excellent if the complete biographical reference information was noted along with the selected text.

The best option would be to be able to sync notes with Evernote. OliveTree has this option.

Gregory Pittman

This feature can't be difficult to implement. Logos's one major competitor on the mobile device (OliveTree) has had Evernote integration for a while. The app automatically backs up notes to Evernote. It's both a back up and an outside access feature. Right now, there's no way to access our notes in any form in Logos unless we're looking at the specific passage to which the note is attached.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/379984#Comment_379984

Right now, there's no way to access our notes in any form in Logos unless we're looking at the specific passage to which the note is attached.

That's not really true (unless I am misunderstanding your point):

You can open up the any note file without going to the passage where the note is attached. Just go to the file menu and open the appropriate Notes file.

You can also export a note file to a text file or Word doc if you want to use the content outside of Logos.

Granted, those capabilities don't replace the desire for Evernote integration, but I wanted to make sure you understood the current Notes functionality.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/379989#Comment_379989

Hi Todd

I think, but am not sure, that Gregory is talking about the mobile app where his comments are valid.

Graham