Evernote Integration!

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Brad Fry | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 30 2011 7:29 AM

Russ White:
I would really prefer onenote integration over evernote...

Russ,

I like OneNote as well but have a question that I've not been able to find the answer to. Will you please email me at texasfrys at gmail dot com? Hopefully you can help me.

Thanks.

Brad

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toughski | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 30 2011 7:35 AM

Richard DeRuiter:
Instead of asking Logos to do this, I wonder if this is the sort of thing the SDK could deal with (and allow)? This would take the burden of development and changes in the target product away from Logos, and put it into the hands of volunteers who create and maintain something they are interested in.

I would be willing to donate $ for such development. Or it could be done on a completely commercial basis: Think of Adobe creating a Cadillac of graphics software and a whole cottage industry  of profitable companies selling plugins for Photoshop, etc.

 

the decision is in the Logos' court.

I do not believe that users mean a simple cut and paste by integration. I sure don't. By the way, I would prefer OneNote despite my previous post.

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toughski | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 30 2011 7:35 AM

Richard DeRuiter:
Instead of asking Logos to do this, I wonder if this is the sort of thing the SDK could deal with (and allow)? This would take the burden of development and changes in the target product away from Logos, and put it into the hands of volunteers who create and maintain something they are interested in.

I would be willing to donate $ for such development. Or it could be done on a completely commercial basis: Think of Adobe creating a Cadillac of graphics software and a whole cottage industry  of profitable companies selling plugins for Photoshop, etc.

 

the decision is in the Logos' court.

I do not believe that users mean a simple cut and paste by "integration". I sure don't. By the way, I would prefer OneNote despite my previous post.

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Philana Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 30 2011 7:36 AM

Brad Fry:

Russ White:
I would really prefer onenote integration over evernote...

Russ,

I like OneNote as well but have a question that I've not been able to find the answer to. Will you please email me at [deleted email] Hopefully you can help me.

Thanks.

Brad

Brad you need to edit your post ASAP, spambots will mine your email address. Spell it out texasfrys at gmail dot com. Otherwise your email will get spammed!

Blessings,

Philana

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Philana Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 30 2011 7:44 AM

If there were to integration with another capturing program, Evernote would make more sense. It's available on all platforms. Mac users could access OneNote on the web, but I'm not always online...I imagine other users who would really use this feature would also not always be online. Evernote is cross platform, so this one makes the most sense, since Logos does support both platforms...the option needs to work with both (and not as a website solution for some). 

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 30 2011 8:05 AM

MJ. Smith:
Having notes in an external piece of software is not an acceptable solution for me.

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 30 2011 8:17 AM

Philana Crouch:
Evernote would make more sense. It's available on all platforms.

Assuming that this is true, then logically we would need:

  • Someone from Logos Development to look into the feasibility of developing the integration.
  • A user review of Evernote to confirm that it has the capability that is being requested by all of the users.
  • Assuming the outcome of the above are both positive then we would need a dialogue between developers and users to determine the details of the integration.

We also have to recognise a couple of issues that this approach will introduce:

  • The future of Notes will depend on future/current versions of Logos being compatible with future/current versions of Evernote.
  • The security, future availability of our data will be in the hands of Evernote rather than Logos.

Whilst I am currently a OneNote user, I could be persuaded to change if Bob and the Logos team agreed that this is a supportable LONG TERM approach to a fuller function Note capability.

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 30 2011 8:29 AM

MJ. Smith:
Having notes in an external piece of software is not an acceptable solution for me.

Does this not depend on how tightly integrated the solution is?

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Brad Fry | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 30 2011 8:42 AM

Thank you, Philana!

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Christopher Gunter | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 30 2011 9:40 AM

Depending on the nature of the notes that are placed into evernote, the automatic bibliographic reference that is generated would have to be two-fold. It should state (1) that the copied content came from Logos 4 and (2) that the copyright in the copied content belongs to the specified copyright owner. Since the EULA for Logos 4 does not allow for this (see my post "Logos 4 (content and documentation) - terms of use") your proposed use of evernote (or onenote) would be in direct contradiction to the agreement the end user has with Logos.

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 30 2011 10:28 AM

I don't see Evernote as a replacement for Logos note functionality; more of a small additional bit of functionality.

Evernote is an excellent program, but it's not a word-processor. I use it for all kinds of things, including the research notes for a book I'm working on.

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 30 2011 10:57 AM

Ben:

I don't see Evernote as a replacement for Logos note functionality; more of a small additional bit of functionality.

Evernote is an excellent program, but it's not a word-processor.

...and Bob has already made it clear that Notes will never be a Word Processor if that is what you are expecting. Whatever the future of Notes in Logos, whether we end up linking to an external tool or we get some extra function in the internal one we will always need a Word Processor to produce the final documents.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 30 2011 1:56 PM

Graham Owen:
Does this not depend on how tightly integrated the solution is?

That depends upon how integrated it can be and still be called external. Wink

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 30 2011 2:39 PM

MJ. Smith:
That depends upon how integrated it can be and still be called external.

And I think that this could be the Achilles Heal of the integration approach, I would define full integration as EverNote displaying in a Tab within Logos so that the file can be viewed and updated with the option of launching EverNote as a separate program. From a Logos perspective I think this would effectively involve them developing an EverNote Client to access the underlying EverNote file format and that is pretty much the same in effort as a major development of the existing Note function. 

If you add in the issues of having Notes functionality controlled by a third party, a dependency on the EverNote synch instead of Logos own internal, the ability for users to mess up the linking by renaming Notes using the EverNote application rather than the Logos Client and the resulting support calls to Logos, it all starts to look a bit unlikely.

I am obviously thinking "out loud" but having thought through this as an approach it does look like focusing on getting Logos to commit to a more robust Notes function is the correct approach. My concern then becomes ensuring that whatever functionality is finally achieved in Logos 4 is included in future versions otherwise we get to go through this again in a few years when Logos 5 or 6 is released.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 30 2011 2:53 PM

MJ. Smith:

Having notes in an external piece of software is not an acceptable solution for me. I need to have my notes searched when I cycle through the material again. I see Bible study as a spiral in which each time through builds on what was learned previously. And yes, I mean notes not finished products that I can include in PB's.

With Bob's analogy of writing in the margins of your Bible - would you write in the margins of your Bible if you could never see/read it there? You write in the margins because you want to see it again.

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Bob, you have asked a very important question.

For me, integration is more than a right click.  For me, integration of evernote would take place of the note system.  

The item I see with this is that evernote went away from Microsoft's .net/WPF (because they had the same issues with performance that people are still complaining about L4), and L4 is using Microsoft's .net/WPF platform.  

For this to happen, L4 would need to catch the input and output from evernote so that it could translate it into something L4 (or L5) could store and use.

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 30 2011 4:48 PM

I have been a longtime user of evernote, but honestly don't see the reason why we would want to do this. Importing from evernote is as easy as copy and paste. Exporting the same.

Right now, the reason I would see is that Logos doesn't have a way to talk notes on mobile devices, so users are doing that in evernote. Once Logos mobile app can do notetaking, I see no benefit to evernote integration...only the annoyance to Logos of having to maintain integration with a 3rd party software that will change

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JimTowler | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 7 2012 8:03 AM

Logos 4 on PC already has an API, but its very limited in its current form.

If it was extended with the right kinds of extra goodies, some developers could write external Notes, or links to products such as One Note or Evernote etc.

Logos would need to do some solid plumbing work, but from there, the external portion would fall to others to do. I would do much more with the API if it was not so sadly limited as it currently is.

 

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 7 2012 1:42 PM

Jacob Hantla:
I have been a longtime user of evernote, but honestly don't see the reason why we would want to do this.

I don't use evernote, but it's my understanding that its main utility is inside the browser. If I am correct in this assertion then for me its main usefulness will be with Biblia and not Logos 4. I agree with MJ, I prefer that note taking capability should reside solely in Logos 4. Therefor, what ideas can we generate that would improve note taking within L4?  

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Luke | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 29 2012 1:53 PM

I too would love Evernote integration.  There would be a number of ways of doing it.

I am currently exploring the new Faithlife app.  The least intrusive evernote integration would be the ability to Share to Evernote (like you can to Facebook and Twitter).  

It would, as mentioned in a previous post, be excellent if the complete biographical reference information was noted along with the selected text.

The best option would be to be able to sync notes with Evernote.  OliveTree has this option.

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Gregory Pittman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 5 2012 6:55 AM

This feature can't be difficult to implement. Logos's one major competitor on the mobile device (OliveTree) has had Evernote integration for a while. The app automatically backs up notes to Evernote. It's both a back up and an outside access feature. Right now, there's no way to access our notes in any form in Logos unless we're looking at the specific passage to which the note is attached.

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