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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 4 2010 11:50 AM

Richard DeRuiter:
I find the Windows UAC redundant, given the other security measures I take.

 

Yes +1

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Doug | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 4 2010 12:16 PM

Richard DeRuiter:

I just turned mine off. [insert gasp, if necessary]

I find the Windows UAC redundant, given the other security measures I take.

Someone posted a few days ago that had the UAC turned off and said that it greyed out the "run as administrator" option.  He effectively lost the benefits of run as administrator.  I know that you run an i7 and maybe you don't notice a lag because of that.  I'm going to discover that for myself before the week's end.  I'm ordering the parts today to build an i7 system.  But others even with the i7 say L4 lags.  I have other reasons for building a top of the line system too but I want to try L4 on such a beast.  So I'm buying the i7 860, 8 gigs of 1600 ddr3, 1 gig nvidia 9800 graphics, intel p55WB mobo, and two 7200 rpm sata drives.  If L4 won't run smooth on that, then there's no hope for it other than back to the drawing board. 

Someone is mention the WPF thing again but I run Cakewalks Sonar 8 Producer in my studio on a 2.0 Core 2 with 2 gigs of ram.  It is a very demanding WPF application and it doesn't lag at all.  It has to constantly do a lot of graphical things on both monitors but it's just a smooth as a baby's bottom.  I think the poster above who mention some runaway code may be more on the mark.  Even Word is a WPF program.  Most other recent Microsoft products are and they all run great.  Got to be something else.

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Joe Hicks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 28 2010 6:50 PM

Logos has now given users a place to input what their preferences (votes) are for new features, in this case a fix/feature to speed up the information window.  Be sure and go to cast your vote that some developmental resources be spent to speed up the info window.  Here is the link:

http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4

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Ryan Lenerz | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 5 2010 11:02 AM

I purchased logos 4 and put it on my 2-1/2 year old laptop (1.8Ghz dual core AMD Turion 64 processor, 2GB Ram, 160GB hard drive at 5400rpm, integrated graphics) and found the program to be frustratingly slow.  So I trolled around these discussion boards looking for what people recommended in a PC to have the performance we have come to expect with programs.  

I found a mid-low end PC tower a couple weeks back at Staples for $500 and have been really pleased with the performance.  I bought it expecting to have to make upgrades to a faster hard drive and dedicated video card, but thought the price was still worth the investment.  Fortunately, it has handled Logos 4 with ease, never running more than 25% of the RAM.  I no longer have delays when scrolling, indexing doesn't slow me down, and searches are quick.

In summary, I disagree that you need to buy a cutting edge, expensive, new PC for Logos 4.  Newer is better, but if you keep your eyes open for sales, you can get what you need for $500.

For reference, here are the specs on my new PC

  • HP Pavilion
  • Windows 7 64-bit
  • AMD Athlon X4 630 - 2.8 Ghz Quad Core 
  • 6GB RAM DDR3
  • 1TB Hard Drive at 5400 rpm
  • integrated graphics

 

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Burke Hamblin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 17 2010 9:22 PM

I recently upgraded to Logos 4 and it seems very slow compared to version 3.

I have a 2.53 GHz Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM, 256 MB on a discrete GPU and an Intel G2 SSD (with all necessary SSD tweaks) on Win7 Pro x64. Logos 4 is fully updated and I allowed the indexing to complete, but he "feel" of the program is still very sluggish.

I'm testing different approaches to determine if it's indeed the program or something else on my system, but I keep my system very slim and speedy.

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 17 2010 11:11 PM

Burke Hamblin:

I recently upgraded to Logos 4 and it seems very slow compared to version 3.

I have a 2.53 GHz Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM, 256 MB on a discrete GPU and an Intel G2 SSD (with all necessary SSD tweaks) on Win7 Pro x64. Logos 4 is fully updated and I allowed the indexing to complete, but he "feel" of the program is still very sluggish.

I'm testing different approaches to determine if it's indeed the program or something else on my system, but I keep my system very slim and speedy.

Be sure to check the wiki for some hints here:

http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_Running_Slowly

 Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

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Richard D. Harris | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 25 2010 8:44 PM

Observation #1 - Logos has always released ahead of the hardware... not a bad thing. Solution: allowing us to run L3 along with L4.... excellent move, until we figure out the hardware issues. (or can afford new system )

Observation #2 - My first steps in speeding things up were 1. shut off internet search, 2. re-set performance settings on XP  (Control Panel/System/Advanced/Performance/Settings/Visual Effects/ set for "Adjust for best performance"   - that sped up things greatly. 

Next move: ordered more RAM, but for pc2700 it is expensive -runs $50-80 per g.  

I am running Dell 4600i; 2.8htz; 500g HD  2g ram; separate video card - running 2 monitors.... great for Logos spread out desktop!;

I am going to try to see what happens when I change the "Virtual Memory"  (under "Performance Options"/ Advanced/Virtual memory -paging. 

THANK YOU Bob for the best software in the world!

RickH

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Richard D. Harris | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 30 2010 5:58 AM

Further Observation (on L4 slow)

Observation #3 - 3 G  of memory solves most all issues of slowness on my machine. Dell 4600i; 2.8; 500g; 3 Ram; dedicated video card.

Conclusion: you don't need to buy a new computer.... configure it better and you get better results.

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Ron | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 30 2010 6:54 AM

Burke Hamblin:
and an Intel G2 SSD (with all necessary SSD tweaks)

Could you clarify what you mean by "all necessary SSD tweaks"?

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Juanita | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 30 2010 8:48 AM

rdharris.1948@gmail.com:
2. re-set performance settings on XP  (Control Panel/System/Advanced/Performance/Settings/Visual Effects/ set for "Adjust for best performance"   - that sped up things greatly.

I experimented and changed my system as described above and the appearance of ALL my letters was horrendous.  "Smooth edges for screen fonts" is something I have to have and I cannot set "adjust for best performance" and have smooth edges at the same time.

 

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 30 2010 9:18 AM

Joan Korte:

"Smooth edges for screen fonts" is something I have to have and I cannot set "adjust for best performance" and have smooth edges at the same time.

 

Joan,

actually you can. The "Best performance" setting is the 100% performance, but you can set that....and then go back and turn on "smooth edges of screen fonts, and it has a negliglble effect on performance.

 

Personally I use "Best performance" and then turn on:

  • Smooth on screen fonts
  • show shadows under menus
  • smooth scroll list
  • use drop shadows for icon lables
  • use visual styles on windows and buttons.

Robert Pavich

For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__

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Juanita | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 30 2010 9:37 AM

Robert Pavich:

Joan Korte:

"Smooth edges for screen fonts" is something I have to have and I cannot set "adjust for best performance" and have smooth edges at the same time.

 

 

Joan,

actually you can. The "Best performance" setting is the 100% performance, but you can set that....and then go back and turn on "smooth edges of screen fonts, and it has a negliglble effect on performance.

 

Personally I use "Best performance" and then turn on:

  • Smooth on screen fonts
  • show shadows under menus
  • smooth scroll list
  • use drop shadows for icon lables
  • use visual styles on windows and buttons.

 

 Robert,

 I cannot tick adjust for best performance and apply it and then try to tick anything in the list; if I do that, it unticks adjust for best performance and automatically ticks custom. 

 

 

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 30 2010 10:24 AM

Joan,

Yes...that's how it works...

The "custom" just denotes some deviation from the "best performance" setting....but it still works the same...

You can describe it as "best performance-with-one-or-two-things-I-like"....

 

Robert Pavich

For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__

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Juanita | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 30 2010 10:29 AM

OK, thanks, Robert.  I already had it set up right.

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Charles Cherry | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 15 2010 8:36 AM

Ok, here it is the middle of May, and I was hoping by now Logos 4 would have been optimized to run better, but after downloading the latest release, and letting the indexer run until it was finished, I still can't use this program on my PC. (Dell Dimension 8600 4 gigs of ram, Win7). I'm going to have to go back to version 3 until I can afford a new top-o-the-line super-duper 64 gig of ram PC, I guess...

(sorry, just frustrated that after spending so much to upgrade I can't use it.)

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Burke Hamblin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 15 2010 1:17 PM

Agreed CharlesCherry.

My laptop is no slouch (2.53 GHz Core 2, 4 GB RAM, Intel SSD, 256 MB discrete video) and scrolling through resources---they're just TEXT, mind you---is sluggish and as a consequence makes using Logos 4 a true chore. But on a newly-built AMD 6-core system with 8 GB RAM, Intel SSD and a Radeon 5870, the improvement in overall performance is negligible at best. That system can run anything thrown at it and version 4 is still light years behind version 3 in responsiveness and enjoyment of use.

I hate to have to be harsh, but the solutions offered here are superficial at best, and seem to dodge around the apparent fact that either the new engine is substandard in performance, or there is another issue plaguing many users. It's not our systems, it's not that we have Windows GUI effects on, and hinting that upgrades should be necessary to run it is, frankly, poor customer service.

Truthfully, the best way I can describe the "feeling" of Logos 4 is to compare it another piece of software that suffers from the same sluggish feel...iTunes. And that ain't good.

For now, version 3 is where it's at.

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Scott Jacobsen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 15 2010 2:13 PM

Just a simple suggestion for speed, especially for laptops, is to never, ever, leave a disk in the cd/dvd drive when you're not using it. It's easy to forget one in there, and it will slow your system down considerable even when it is not loading on auto-run.

Scott

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 15 2010 5:47 PM

Burke Hamblin:
I hate to have to be harsh, but the solutions offered here are superficial at best, and seem to dodge around the apparent fact that either the new engine is substandard in performance, or there is another issue plaguing many users. It's not our systems, it's not that we have Windows GUI effects on, and hinting that upgrades should be necessary to run it is, frankly, poor customer service.

I don't want to sound like I'm blowing the company band-wagon horn, either, but many people are very pleased with L4's performance. I'm one of them. There are times when it seems a bit sluggish (particularly when typing a a note attached to a passage, rather than to selected text). And sometimes a search will run slower than other times (I don't know why). But over all performance is a non-issue for me, and for many others.

While this is not your experience, nor the experience of many others, it does suggest that the issue of Logos being slow is not merely a coding issue. There are other factors, that continue to be rather elusive. Also some of the 'superficial' solutions have proven dramatically effective for some (and, admittedly, not for others).

I don't particularly like the media player/indexer to which you refer either, but my issue with that software is not about performance. I just don't like the way it works, nor its insistence in installing and running a sorts of processes I don't need, and I prefer a much simpler way of working with media files. But that's not a sluggish performance issue at all.

Here are my specs: Dell Studio XPS 435MT; Win7 64bit Home Premium ; 6GB DDR3 RAM; 465GB free HD space on C:\; CPU: Intel i7-920 2.67GHz (8MB L3 cache); Video ATI Radeon HD 4850 (512MB)

 

 Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

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Monty Bower | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 15 2010 8:03 PM

I'm running an i7-720QM, 4 GB ram, 500 GB 7200 HD, NVidia GT 230M 1 MB. I noticed the last update caused a few seconds slowdown in assembling the commentaries within the Passage Guide; it was almost instantaneous before the update.

The main difference I noticed in moving from my Dual-Core Pentium, 2 GB ram, 120GB 5400 HD was the time for indexing. I have the Platinum version and the first index took well over six hours. The last index took less than 2 hours to complete.

Needless to say, I believe you will be pleased with the speed of your new acquisition.

Peace,

Monty

i7-2630QM (2nd Gen), Radeon HD6770M 1G (DDR5), 8G DDR3, 1 TB 5400 HD, Win10 64

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Chris Walley | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 16 2010 1:58 PM

How I agree. See my post on Reindexing again. And please what about 3rd world pastors struggling with a Pentium and a Gig of RAM?

Someone at Logos needs to look at what Microsoft did when it went from Vista to Windows 7.

 

 

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