OSX 10.8

That's for running Mountain Lion as a virtual machine in VMWare. There's not a solution yet for running VMWare from within Mountain Lion, which is my issue.

Interestingly, I've now run across a third program that won't run in Mountain Lion--the Mac version of WORDsearch.

alabama24 said:

All I want is for Logos 4.8 Logos 5 to be compatible with OSX 10.9.

All I want is for Logos 4.8 Logos 5 to be compatible with OSX 10.9 OSX 11. [;)]

WordSearch works great on Mountain Lion, you just need to install X11, which has been removed in the latest release. You can download it here: http://xquartz.macosforge.org/trac/wiki/X112.3.0

Mark Allison said:

WordSearch works great on Mountain Lion, you just need to install X11, which has been removed in the latest release. You can download it here: http://xquartz.macosforge.org/trac/wiki/X112.3.0

A true native mac version might be out there sooner than later since there is now an iPad version. I don't own an iPad yet so no chance to get my word search volumes in an Apple environment.

-Dan

PS: x11 works but it is basically windows running in mac…. didn't care for it at all.

Jeffrey S. Robison said:

Just wanted to throw my 2 pennies into the fray. I am a registered Apple Developer. I regularly test softwares that are in alpha, beta, and RC status. If you are dev with proper access to the releases and not just downloading because you "need" the latest and greatest, then you know better than to complain about compatibility on the first, second, or.... whatever-th day of dev preview software. The proper place for those discussions are over on the Apple Dev forums. The title of the threads here should simply be informational, they should read, "L4 not compatible with 10.8 yet."

No offense, but I think comments like the above are just used to shut down conversation. The message that the beta belongs only to developers and that this isn't the proper place to discuss it is nonsense. 

Perhaps developers don't like the fact that they pay $99 a year for access to betas and then Apple turns around and gives it away for free to those in the AppleSeed program. But let me repeat it again: the current OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion beta is intended for testing by more than just developers. Apple allowed others of us--who are not developers--to have it, too. I know the risks of beta software--especially beta operating systems--going in. The risk incurred is my own, and it will be my responsibility if there's a problem. But don't sit there and tell me that I'm not the person to be running Mountain Lion when Apple invited me to run it.

I have not "complained" that Logos 4.5.x doesn't run in Mountain Lion; I merely reported my experience that it doesn't run. There were no complaints. The proper place for such discussions is not merely the developer forums, which I don't have access to. I do have access to the AppleSeed forums, but honestly, I don't know if anyone in those forums would care about Bible software. There's much more interest here, and the Logos devs obviously read these forums. 

Moreover, if I did not have access to the beta to test such things out for myself, this is the place where I might look out of curiosity. Thus, I believe the conversation is perfectly appropriate here. 

Access to the beta and discussion about it are not the exclusive domain of one particular group. Let's quit all this nonsense of saying, "That's not for you; it's for us, so you shouldn't be talking about it here."

Jonathan said:

Actually, I believe that both the Appleseed and the Developers disclosure agreement forbid the public discussion of pre-release software outside of the Apple forums. I do know that when Lion was introduced in the Appleseed program that those within the Appleseed program were expressly forbidden from indicating their inclusion in the program.

I would double check the latest confidentiality agreement...

More attempts to squelch discussion? Wow. This stuff really amazes me.

I've discussed nothing about Mountain Lion that's not public knowledge at this point, and I didn't start this thread. 

There's no "First Rule of Fight Club" kind of clause in the AppleSeed agreement stating I am not allowed to say that I'm in it.

If you want, you can read the agreement for yourself. I did not have to be signed in to access this PDF, so it's freely available:  https://appleseed.apple.com/agreements/GlobalCSCA110111.pdf

Jonathan said:

I, up until you mentioned Appleseed, was completely unaware of the program. When I ran a google search on "appleseed pre-release" the first article I read stated that the "first rule of Appleseed" was not to talk about appleseed. I didn't mean to upset you, was simply relaying what I read elsewhere.

Brother, I assure you that I'm not upset. I continue to be amazed, though, at the defensiveness some Logos users have at any perceived criticism of the program (and again, I'll remind everyone that I've not criticized Logos in this thread, but have stated that the fact that it doesn't run in ML is neither good, nor bad, and no reflection against the developers) to the point that (as I've witnessed over and over on more threads than this one) these users often try to cut off any such perceived negative discussion entirely by any means possible. I'm not accusing you of being one of these folks, Jonathan, but folks like this who are out there really ought to lighten up. 

As to the so-called "first rule of AppleSeed" issues, if I'm correct, you're referring to the Ars technica article about the AppleSeed program. That statement about not talking about the program is exaggerated as anyone can see by reading the actual confidentiality agreement.  

If there was a new feature in Mountain Lion that had not been widely discussed, or a major vulnerability in the OS, I would not be allowed to discuss it outside the Appleseed forums. I am certainly allowed to discuss the OS in general as even Apple now has a portion of its website dedicated to it.

Really, I've said very little here other than mentioning three (now actually two) programs that weren't running in it, which again, is helpful to know by all who would have interest in knowing.

RevT said:

R. Mansfield said:

Interestingly, I've now run across a third program that won't run in Mountain Lion--the Mac version of WORDsearch.

But then again WORDsearch doesn't run very good on Windows anymore either. It has become a real piece of junk in the past 3 or 4 years.

Tim

the Mac version of WordSearch is not a Mac version at all but a Windows version wrapped in a Virtual environment running on top of OS X. The Windows version runs quite well on my machine so I 'm sure what you'r having problems with Tim. I also have little or no problem with the Logos windows version either. Both are rock solid apps.

Well stated Kevin, very nicely done with honesty and integrity -well done indeed.

You have summarized well what I've been feeling for the last 18 + months. 

Mike Binks said:

the best, it seems we can expect is a compatible version 'somewhere close to the launch date' and that implies that a considerable amount of work needs to be done.

I suspect it simply implies that:

1. When Bradley answered, they'd only just gotten 10.8, so he probably didn't have much of a clue yet if it's going to take 10 minutes or 4 months to fix whatever issue[s ] there is, so promising anything earlier than launch date would have been fairly stupid.
2. For the same reason he probably didn't have much of a clue yet whether the needed change was in Logos' code or Apple's code or both. Their own coding they can at least try to estimate a timeframe for, but if it turns out to be a bug in 10.8, how on earth is he going to guess when Apple will fix that?
3. It might be a wiser use of their time to wait a bit and see what else Apple is going to do with the code, before they do something they may then have to redo after a later Apple update.
4. They have hundreds of bugs, dozens of 'issues' and several missing features that are far more urgent than making adaptations for the extremely few users that insist on downloading 10.8 months before its official release.

Jack Caviness said:

Mike Binks said:

Let's hope that the work that is done to make the program run moves us closer to the Mac track.

That gets my vote Would also be nice if a ton of broken features were made to work correctly.

I know that hardly anyone will agree with me on this, which is fine.

But since the foundation code of Logos 4.x is on Windows, and since the Mac version is always playing catch up to some degree with the Windows version, and since as described a few posts up, the interface in Logos 4.x/Mac has a number of non-standard Mac features anyway, I wish there was simply an option to run Logos 4.x/Windows in X11 for those who wanted to run it that way. That would certainly solve feature-parity issues. 

Again, I realize hardly anyone is going to agree with that sentiment, but for my purposes in using Logos 4.x, X11 would be a solution that would eliminate a lot of the other worries. 

Two questions:

(1) When you say, "Technically X11 is not a viable option for Logos 4," do you mean that it's not an option for technical reasons within the program itself or because Apple is no longer including it in Mountain Lion?

If it's the latter issue, that's not a problem. I was able to get WORDsearch working again in Mountain Lion after manually installing X11, which is now running fine:

Having said even that, though, I don't actually expect it to ever happen since Logos has invested so much time, money, and effort into the Mono port of the Windows version. I'm just saying it would have been an okay solution for my purposes. Consider it mere wishful thinking.

As for the rest, I'm well aware of other alternatives for running Windows on a Mac. I normally use VMWare, but it's not working at the moment in Mountain Lion.

(2) What's your actual name? I never know how to address you and feel odd calling you "Keep Smiling."

mitchellisdumb said:

I think you're misunderstanding what X11 is. When you ran WORDsearch through X11 you weren't running the Windows version, you were running the Unix/Linux version.OSX is based on a *nix core (Darwin on top of FreeBSD, specifically), so once X11 is installed there's no virtualization/emulation needed to run *nix apps, it's all essentially native. Windows is a completely different animal.

Ummm....no. I'm not misunderstanding what X11 is at all (for the record, I know full well what X11 is and have used it on multiple platforms for years).  But there may be a misunderstanding on your part. There is no "Unix/Linux version" of WORDsearch. There's only a Windows version that is also ported to the Mac via X11 and WINE. There is a disclaimer stating as much on the WORDsearch page: "WORDsearch 8 for Mac is a Windows program running on the Mac through WINE and X.11" (Section "You should know...", para. 1). 

My original comment about the idea of  an X11 port of the Windows version of Logos was little more than an aside comment. I don't expect it to ever happen knowing the tremendous effort and investment Logos has put in to keeping Logos on the Mac parallel with the Windows version. I was merely saying that would have been an okay solution for me had Logos decided to go that route instead. I don't expect them to ever do that, and I understand the reasons why they wouldn't do that.

And no doubt, Logos is a much more sophisticated program than WORDsearch. The fact that WORDsearch can be ported to the Mac via X11 doesn't necessarily mean that Logos could (with the same amount of effort). In the end, it doesn't matter--again it was practically an aside comment on my part as a very tiny portion of this conversation.

fgh said:

Jack Caviness said:

Would also be nice if a ton of broken features were made to work correctly.

 It would indeed be nice if, 17 months after purchase, I could finally start using this program...

fgh are you really not using it? why not?